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Lord Vyce |
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Go, Bob Dole!!!
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Officer Prowl |
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I can't look at my local news source without seeing another fucking headline about
Fuck McCain. Fuck Palin. Fuck Samuel Whatshislastname. Fuck you all straight to hell, go away and I don't want to see or hear from you ever again after Nov 4. |
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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If FO thinks she is ready for every issue she plans to vote on, we could vote as early as tonight.
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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One thing I find offensive about this "Joe the Plumber" thing is the implication that the only people who work hard for their money are people who
make over $250,000/year.
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Flying Omelette |
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That's what's making me so pissed off over it. It's like McCain only cares about someone's plight once it's revealed that he might have
enough money on him to buy a business. In one of the debates, Obama was talking about this woman who found out she was making less money than a man who does
the same exact job as her and McCain didn't seem interested in that at all.
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ErniePants |
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McCain focuses way too much on trying to bring down Obama then he does on his own agendas. It's like, "This isn't working, let's get Obama
THAT way. Okay, that's no longer working, let's get Obama THIS way!" That and he's too damn old and Sarah Palin's a flake. It's gonna
be a landslide.
The Omni-Wonder
of the Universe has spoken
~cackle ~cackle |
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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One thing that could hurt Obama would be that young people never turn out to vote. On the other hand, I would guess that retirees would skew towards Obama
since protecting social security is not a Republican priority.
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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We voted tonight.
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da dick |
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i always though old people are age-ist pricks (just like how most people are assholes) who will alway vote a familiar old face. doesn't matter that
they're voting for a prick.
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Officer Prowl |
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The worst part about Joe the Plumber is that he's going to run for congress, and since people will elect just about anybody, he stands a good chance of
winning.
Not only is he a liar and a tax evader and he's supporting a candidate whose plans will do nothing for him, but he's a total lunatic, too. He was caught on camera agreeing with someone who said (quote), "A vote for Obama is a vote for the death of Israel." And this guy is probably going to have a role in the government of my state soon. |
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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I seriously doubt his chances to win.
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ErniePants |
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My guess is that he'll be forgotten once the election is over, especially if McCain loses.
The Omni-Wonder
of the Universe has spoken
~cackle ~cackle |
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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My mother was volunteering to get the vote out for Obama, but, as an irony, she doesn't know if my brother voted and doesn't seem to be trying hard to
get him out to vote. I think that might be because my brother might vote for McCain.
Another anecdote was that she went to someone's house and told an occupant that she knew his wife had an absentee ballot she hadn't sent in yet. And the guy got pissed at her for knowing that. I said, gee, I might get pissed about that, too. But apparently things like that are a matter of public record. |
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Flying Omelette |
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Everywhere I go online there are ads for John McCain, and every single damn one of them is nothing but an attack on Obama (well, okay, except one that just
says that McCain and Palin are "Mavericks". So, Palin is a Maverick now, too? Then how much meaning could that possibly have?)
I'm not even sure I know anymore what McCain would do as president besides protect Americans from the evil ways of the Anti-Christ Obama. |
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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They've been calling Palin a maverick from the beginning. They said something about how she took on Republicans and fought corruption in Alaska.
Turns out that what really happened was that she stepped over people who gave her career a boost, and she filled her administration with friends she knew in highschool. (Don't you remember that time during the VP debate where Biden was chocked up about his dead wife, and Palin fired back about how they were mavericks?) As for McCain, there are some videos of him on the internet from several years ago saying the Bush tax cuts are unfair because they disproportionately benefited the rich. Maybe he could be called a maverick for that? Of course, now he says that rolling those tax cuts back will turn us into communist China. You know, when people complain about "spreading the wealth" now, it's like they've gone to the point of being mustache twirling Snidely Whiplash-level delighting-in-evil-for-the-sake-of-evil cartoonish villains. I mean, the usual Republican argument (whether or not it makes sense) was that by helping the richest people, it helps everyone. Now they're almost blatantly saying that poor people should get poorer and rich people should get richer. If you try to ignore any partisan perspective on this, it's really ridiculous. For example, we're running a deficit! McCain was saying, "How can you raise taxes when times are bad?", but we've been running a deficit almost my entire life, except when Clinton was in office. Here is Colin Powell delivering what I think could be a nonpartisan perspective on both McCain's attack ads and the tax issue. By the way, there was one idea I heard from McCain that wasn't an attack on Obama. It was about having the government purchase mortages that were foreclosed so people could stay in their homes. Interesting, maybe, but I'd need to hear a LOT more details about that plan to know if it really is a good idea. Unfortunately, with all the attention being put towards attacks on Obama, he gave no details (in fact, commentators on both sides were surprised that he seemed to launch this idea in the middle of the second debate) For example, one thing that led to the housing crisis was that people bought homes as investments, to "flip" them. But when the mortage became more than the house was worth, since they had no personal attachment to the house, it was in their rational self interest to let the home be foreclosed on. Because they lost some money in it as an investment, but they only stood to lose even more if they kept paying the mortage. There is no societal value to have the government buy those houses. It's not an issue of keeping people in their homes, because there are no people in those homes. Now, I don't know how widespread that is. But that's what I mean when I say McCain wasn't really giving details on his plan. On Obama's half hour commerical, he talked about a 90 day moratorium on foreclosures. Now, I don't know exactly how that would work, either. But it seems like it could make a little more sense. People who lived in their home but were having trouble with their mortage would try to make good-faith payments, while people who truly abandoned their homes wouldn't. |
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ErniePants |
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That's why it's so difficult for me to side with McCain on any issue, because it's impossible to tell where he really stands. I get the feeling
that if someone walked up to Obama and started arguing with him that what he really wants is a president who can make the sky turn yellow because he likes
yellow more than blue, McCain would be promising yellow skies for everyone. It's not enough just to be contrary with your opponent. And his internet ads
are fucking creepy.
I also love how he's whining now about personal attacks on Joe the Plumber when aside from people on message boards saying they hate the guy, I haven't seen anything yet that counts as a personal attack. I guess telling the truth about someone is considered a personal attack if you're John McCain. You can't be that thin-skinned and be president. The Omni-Wonder
of the Universe has spoken
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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People have looked up information on him, and made public his income, his certification (or lack thereof), and how he owed taxes. Now, on the one hand, all
that is public record, and it's not necessarily an "attack" in and of itself, it's just a statement of fact. However, I can imagine that an
average person wouldn't want attention drawn to facts about themselves, even for things that are a matter of public record.
Anyway, I was wondering to myself, How can this "spread the wealth" thing possible be a winning strategy in a democracy? 95% of people won't get a tax raise. But it occurred to me, what do a lot of people get worked up over on an emotional level? The Enron scandals? Eh. AIG executive golden parachutes? Eh. But what about that lazy neighbor down the street who doesn't have a job at all! Now that's what's really offensive!! That's personal and familiar. A normal person can hardly even imagine earning a $20 million severance package after doing no work. You don't know those people, you yourself have no chance of earning that much money, the amount of money is so vast for an average person it's abstract; it's hard to get it to mean anything. Now you just need to get people making $35,000 / year to think that they're the well-off people whose income will be tapped to support people they personally don't like, and it seems like a democratically viable strategy again. Some people also seem to have delusions that their income will skyrocket and then they'd have to pay those high taxes.
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11/03/08 1:47 PM.
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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I kind of want to say a few words about 538's Monte Carlo simulations. It's not obvious why you need to do simulations, what the simulation does for
you, what exactly is simulated ... and I'll bet the majority of people, by far, don't know what a "monte carlo simulation" even is.
Why it's not obvious why you need it: If you get a poll that says Obama has 55% of the vote, and you're 95% confident that number is accurate to within 5%, then 95% of the time, Obama should win. (and maybe 2.5% of the time lose, and maybe 2.5% of the time get a 10%+ victory blowout). You don't need to simulate that; it's built in to the result of the poll. The problem is, we don't have a winner take all electoral system. Obama might have a 99% chance of winning California and New York, but a 55% chance of winning Ohio and Pennsylvania and a 51% chance of winning Florida, etc. (I just made those numbers up) So, what are his odds of winning Ohio and Pennsylvania and Florida? Ohio and Florida but not Pennsylvania? Ohio and Pennsylvania but not Florida? Now, you can still calculate those directly. 15.4% chance of winning all three, 12.6% of winning Ohio and Florida but not Pennyslvania, 14.8% of Ohio and Pennsylvania but not Florida. However, you can see that the more states you toss into it, the more combinations you can get, and the more cumbersome it is to directly calculate the probability of all possible outcomes. ALL MONTE CARLO SIMULATION DOES IS CONFLATE VARIOUS PROBABILITIES. It's like, let's say you had twenty 4-sided dice, ten 6-sided, three 8-sided, four 10-sided, two 20-sided, and one 100-sided. What's the probability that you'd get a sum of 219 or greater? You could calculate this out. Or, if you actually had those dice, you could roll them a few times and see what would happen. When the calcuation gets long enough, it might become easier to simulate than calculate. But a Monte Carlo simulation doesn't "really" simulate the election, or give more information than the polls really have. Like if you're thinking, "How does a Monte Carlo simulation take care of trends in voter turn out?", it doesn't. Or, you could try to model (not simulate!) such a trend, but if the model is inaccurate, the simulation will be, too. Garbage in, garbage out. |
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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Another point to make is that simulations don't decrease error. In fact, they add their own error.
As a really simple example, imagine Obama and McCain were exactly at 50% in the polls. Then you could do a "simulation" by tossing a coin. But if you did 10 coin tosses, you might not get exactly 5 heads, 5 tails. You might get 6 and 4 or 7 and 3. But anything other than 50-50 is the simulation's error. Of course, you can decrease the simulation's error by running it more times. |
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CLOUDBOND007 |
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Don't know too much about that site, but they've got a 98.1% chance of an Obama win, now.
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