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pOrn Sigma		#21	[-]
Posts: 947 (10/08/08 11:16 AM) Sexy Thang Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Possibly late, but does anyone know where Palin came from? Did McCain look down a list of senators, alphabetized by state, and Palin was the first female he came upon? It's time for revenge...
Crawl and 1OOO		#22	[-]
Posts: 15556 (10/08/08 12:33 PM) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The two sides are: -She was chosen in haste, not properly vetted, and is emblematic of McCain's knee-jerk disposition. And there is at least a chance, as immature as it may sound, McCain indeed chose her for her looks (consider him immediately dumping his first wife after she was crippled and lost her looks). -She was chosen to energize the the far right base, those who think McCain "isn't far right enough", because she personally uses guns, is anti-abortion, and is evangelical. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
Crawl and 1OOO		#23	[-]
Posts: 15556 (10/14/08 9:03 AM) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The bitterest race in Ohio isn't for the President. It's whether Ohio should allow a new resort casino. The first ads said that whenever Ohioans want to gamble, they'll just go to neighboring states, so we're losing money in our local economy. Then some opposition group countered that the current plan will put a loophole in our constitution so that the casino doesn't have to pay taxes. Then the original group had a commercial with a guy who said, "You really think we won't have to pay taxes? Come on!" Then the opposition group said something about how the casino will be built by some guy from Nevada who owns a lot of other casinos, and I don't remember what was supposed to be bad about it, but something was. FO says that she might be in favor of the casino because, since it will be upscale and new, her place of work might get business for it. Another local issue is payday loans. They had some commercials like, "If my car breaks down, or little Jimmy needs medicine, I should be able to get a loan for $100 now for that, and pay back $115 next week." Well, you figure that $15 is 15% of $100, if they have two weeks to pay it back (a usual pay period), then it's an APR of 15% * 52 / 2 = 390%!!! Holy crap! Then there are some other issues. Supposedly, people on the side of the payday loans business got signatures for their petition by saying they were trying to change the interest rate "because it was too high now" (ie., a justification opposite of their true stance). Payday loan opponents claim that people get sucked into a spiral where they need to take out loans to cover their loans, because the loans are so expensive they become another burden. Payday loan advocates say that rarely happens. Either way, I don't see interest rates of 400% being justified. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
Crawl and 1OOO		#24	[-]
Posts: 15556 (10/14/08 9:26 AM) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Crawl and 1OOO wrote: This also means that he hasn't been rebutting some attacks that McCain has been lobbing at him. For instance, that bullshit about how he fraternizes with a terrorist. At first, it might make it seem like Obama has no rebuttal. But I think his long term plan of staying above the shit is paying off. It makes it seem like McCain's pettiest lobs are not worthy of rebuttal. So, when McCain says something like, "Obama will fine parents for not insuring their children", you might first think, "What's Obama's rebuttal to that?" But then you think, "Well, I might have to look it up myself, but I'll bet it's just bullshit." In fairness, I think this could go the other way, too. In all honesty, I have not seen much from Obama's campaign itself that could be considered "attack ads", but Rolling Stone did do a feature on McCain titled The Fake Maverick. It makes the point that he's always been ambitious, self-centered, and self-serving. But I can easily imagine someone coming away from that article thinking, "Well, there's a negative tone there, but if you cut through it, all it's really saying is that McCain is a normal person." 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
James FP		#25	[-]
Posts: 3164 (10/14/08 1:27 PM) Schmendrick's Nose Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I couldn't get through all of that article because it was just way too long, but it seemed the main point is that John McCain is not as great as he tries making himself out to be. The part about his book making his Vietnamese captors sound like James Bond villains was hilarious, though. Get out of my cheese, get into my corn!
Crawl and 1OOO		#26	[-]
Posts: 15556 (10/15/08 12:13 PM) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The Ohio message boards I've read about the gambling issue have mostly been grumbling about how one casino isn't enough. The thing about the casino paying no taxes apparently has something to do with IF a native american tribe got ancestral land in Ohio and was declared a sovereign nation or something and blah blah blah. It's not the case now and seems unlikely. So, I'll probably be voting in favor of the casino. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
perothecat		#27	[-]
Posts: 530 (10/15/08 12:42 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Obama Halloween masks are outselling McCain's. Every year since 1980, the better-selling mask has always predicted the winner.
Crawl and 1OOO		#28	[-]
Posts: 15556 (10/15/08 5:31 PM) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Ever since Kennedy debated Nixon on TV, if one candidate has much more hair than the other, then that candidate wins. The election that might have come closest to making that controversial would be Dukakis vs Bush. (Maybe Kerry vs Bush jr). 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
Flying Omelette		#29	[-]
Posts: 20814 (10/15/08 10:01 PM) But you had to have the BIIIIIG salad! Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Two observations on this debate: 1. It's much better for me to sit at the computer and listen to the debate, then to actually sit in front of the TV and watch it. Because if I try watching it, whenever Obama talks, I start focusing on McCain's goofy facial expressions and I don't digest what he's saying. 2. Joe the Plumber is John McCain's only friend. I've fallen down, but I'll rise above this... rise above this doubt. www.flyingomelette.com
Crawl and 1OOO		#30	[-]
Posts: 15556 (10/15/08 10:21 PM) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	This is a blow out in Obama's favor. McCain looks like he's about to explode. The one thing that Obama was a little weak on was the "Joe the Plumber" thing. When he talked directly to Joe, I think he was very strong. Here's the numbers. Joe said he might make $280,000 a year. Let's say he made $300,000 a year. McCain's plan is for the rate above 250,000 to be 36%. Obama, 39%. A 3% difference. For someone who makes $300,000 a year, that's $50,000 above $250,000. 3% of $50,000 is $1,500. That's the tax hike that's outraging Joe the Plumber. One and a half thousand fucking dollars. I don't make anywhere near $250,000 a year and I pay way more than $1,500 in taxes. I'd say that if rich people would be outraged over a $1,500 tax raise, then poor people should be outraged over paying any taxes whatsoever (except that Ron Paul supporters would miss the sarcasm).
Crawl and 1OOO		#31	[-]
Posts: 15556 (10/15/08 10:31 PM) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I don't know how it will play to undecideds, but I think McCain's bringing up his campaign issues -- the terrorist thing -- was a disaster. Obama answered those issues impeccably. McCain was floundering horribly, going back and forth between saying, "We need to stop these attacks and focus on the issues! Why was he hanging around with terrorists! The issues are the important thing! But we need to know just what his connection with this terrorist was! (Which Obama had explained)." McCain's answer about the Supreme Court litmus test was self-contradictory. No litmus test on ideology, but justices must interpret the constitution the way McCain wants them to. Sounds like an ideological litmus test to me.
Crawl and 1OOO		#32	[-]
Posts: 15556 (10/15/08 11:44 PM) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	This is what I mean by saying McCain looked like he was about to explode. I watched the debate on CBS, and on that channel at least they were on split screen for almost the entire time.
James FP		#33	[-]
Posts: 3164 (10/16/08 1:09 PM) Schmendrick's Nose Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I hate Joe the Plumber more than anything else in the world right now. Get out of my cheese, get into my corn!
Crawl and 1OOO		#34	[-]
Posts: 15556 (10/16/08 1:13 PM) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Has anyone seen the videos? He as also subsequently admitted (on some news station) that he really wouldn't pay higher taxes (at all) under Obama's plan. He was arguing, "Well, what if Obama raised taxes more, and on different brackets! Then I'd pay more!" (Reporters looked up his tax return and his income was around $45,000) He is a real life version of a message board contrarian. And this is the guy that McCain thinks is worth reaching out to and using as an emblem for his campaign. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Last Edited By: Crawl and 1OOO 10/16/08 1:16 PM. Edited 1 times.
Officer Prowl		#35	[-]
Posts: 295 (10/16/08 1:22 PM) A Donut's Worst Nightmare!! Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I think people trying to find information on Joe the Plumber is overloading the server of one of the local news sites I like to visit. I haven't been able to get it to load since early this morning and they had a big front page article about him. Spoiler: All the other news venues I've seen are claiming that he wouldn't say who he was voting for, but he told the reporters at this site that he was voting for McCain.
James FP		#36	[-]
Posts: 3164 (10/16/08 1:27 PM) Schmendrick's Nose Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	This is what I mean by saying McCain looked like he was about to explode. I know you can't really help the way you look or the way your voice sounds (beyond certain extents, anyway), but when McCain says things like, "I'm going to help you buy that business you've always wanted, Joe the Plumber" he comes across like a creepy old man offering a little kid candy. My favorite part of that speech was when McCain was whining about the negative ads, and Obama fired back that he thought the American people are more interested in the issues that affect them than our own personal hurt feelings. I wish more people on message boards were like Obama. I even wish I was more like Obama. Get out of my cheese, get into my corn!
James FP		#37	[-]
Posts: 3164 (10/16/08 3:26 PM) Schmendrick's Nose Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! Get out of my cheese, get into my corn!
Crawl and 1OOO		#38	[-]
Posts: 15556 (10/16/08 3:50 PM) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	FO did a spit take when McCain talked about abortion. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
Flying Omelette		#39	[-]
Posts: 20814 (10/16/08 5:35 PM) But you had to have the BIIIIIG salad! Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I know you can't really help the way you look or the way your voice sounds (beyond certain extents, anyway), but when McCain says things like, "I'm going to help you buy that business you've always wanted, Joe the Plumber" he comes across like a creepy old man offering a little kid candy I think he's just trying to be Santa Claus. Same with the abortion thing. "We'll help you take care of that child." The fuck you will. I've fallen down, but I'll rise above this... rise above this doubt. www.flyingomelette.com
Crawl and 1OOO		#40	[-]
Posts: 15556 (10/16/08 5:38 PM) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	"One thing I want to make clear while we're on this topic of rural America," he said, looking around the gym. "There are a lot of folks who come up to me and say, 'You know, Barack, I like your economic plan, and I'm tired of George Bush, but you know, I got my N.R.A. mailing, and I'm worried you're gonna take my gun away.' " Obama likes to do this - to momentarily inhabit the mind of some composite character and act out his side of the conversation - and he was met with knowing chuckles. "I just want to be absolutely clear, O.K.? I just don't want any misunderstanding when you all go home and you talk with your buddies, and they say, 'Oh, he wants to take my gun away.' You heard it here, and I'm on television, so everybody knows. I believe in the Second Amendment. I believe in people's lawful right to bear arms. I will not take your shotgun away. I will not take your rifle away. I won't take your handgun away. "So if you want to find an excuse not to vote for me, don't use that one!" Obama said, eliciting laughter and cheers from the crowd. "It just ain't true!" I'm so glad Obama said that. If there's one thing the left needs to compromise on, it's gun control. And since it's in the constitution, it's not something that's gonna be changed anyway, regardless of how uncompromising gun control advocates are. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Last Edited By: Crawl and 1OOO 10/16/08 5:45 PM. Edited 1 times.

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