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Considering people complain FF12 doesn't have ENOUGH story, "too much dialogue in the beginning" is hardly a valid complaint. RPGs usually do start off with a storyline.

Pu-lease. Who are these "people" and why should we heed them? As if that's an argument! Cut out the ad populum and try again.

(you may have noticed, in any case, that we hold nothing but contempt for "people" in the gaming community. So telling us what "people" think doesn't hold any water here)

Oh right, it's so much cooler to write 12 page essays on cartoons, complain about arcade beat em ups not having stories, and complaining that an RPG has storyline.

How is this even marginally relevant? Dude, we're not trying to be "cool," we're trying to talk like rational people. You came close to being a "rational person" when you said:

"too much dialogue in the beginning" is hardly a valid complaint.

This almost furthered the discussion! Making a stand on the point of discussion is the first step. BUT!.... you failed to support this statement logically, instead invoking argumentum ad populum:

Considering people complain FF12 doesn't have ENOUGH story

and then totally misrepresenting sweetbee, FO, CK and Crawl's argument:

RPGs usually do start off with a storyline.

Oh right, it's so much cooler to write 12 page essays on cartoons, complain about arcade beat em ups not having stories, and complaining that an RPG has storyline.

Man, I just played Need for Speed Underground 2 and whats with all this racing shit between the story scenes? Fuck.

Believe it or not, their argument was more nuanced than just "RPGs shouldn't have storylines!" It's dishonest and malicious to twist ones words so -- you know that their point was that the exposition was excessive, not that there shouldn't be any storyline whatsoever.

Now, let's reboot your argument and try it logically this time. Start here:

"too much dialogue in the beginning" is hardly a valid complaint.

Why is this so? One way might be to say, "you need the dialogue to make the rest of the story understandable." Evidence? Point out how plot point J and K are unintelligible without having seen plot points A and B beforehand. There, that's ALL you need to do to make your post constructive!

And notice how it could further discussion. If, say, Crawl still disagrees, he can advance the point, "well, the plot could be reconfigured so I can jump into the gameplay right at the beginning." Evidence? "For instance, if we stick plot point A here and turn plot point B into a more gameplay-integrated reference here, then plot points J and K are perfectly understandable without having to plod through an hour of cutscene at the beginning."

And to that you could reply, "the plot has to be built the way it is." Evidence? "You can't do that to the plot without ruining the buildup of Theme X and without making plot point D senseless."

Lo and behold, discussion! Of course, that's just one direction the discussion could go, but you notice that neither side misrepresents the other and all statements are backed up by evidence. Now let's do the same, kiddo!

Thanks for bringing me back down to earth. I'm young and idealistic, I like to think people can change :/