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(03/19/08 7:50 AM)

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Holy crap, this one video manages to squeeze in just about everything that was wrong about the '80's, musically.

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(03/19/08 3:33 PM)

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Random:

This video was on Beavis and Butthead. In fact, it was on the set I have. They turn off the video before it gets to the song, though.

At the beginning of the sketch in the Quickie Mart, a lady is saying, "You ruined my honeymoon!" Then she grabs a pack of M&Ms. "And I'll only have maybe 3 more of those in my life!" At first, I thought she was talking about the M&Ms.

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(03/19/08 5:47 PM)

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Well, where's the video that squeezes in everything that's wrong with today's music? KoRn's Shoots and Ladders, maybe?

The Yankee Rose video is why I find it ridiculous to see David Lee Roth criticizing Sammy Hagar for aiming his music at kids. That's adult entertainment, Dave? Yeah, right, in the words of your producer, "Give me a break".

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They call the Rising Sun
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And God, I know I'm one

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(03/20/08 12:30 PM)

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You know, the '80's gets a lot of crap (some of it deserved) for its musical embarrassments. I think I read an interview once where Kim Thayil said that the only good bands from the '80's were The Police and Metallica.

But I think there's more good music from the '80's than the latter half of the nineties.

(Korn's shoots and ladders is from '95, so it doesn't really count as "today's" music, probably)

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(03/20/08 2:31 PM)

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I think most of what was considered "bad" or an "embarrassment" from the 80's came near the beginning (disco [which was more of a 70's thing anyway]) or the end (hair metal) of the decade. If you wanna give it a label, I'd say the "new wave" of the early to mid 80's (what some people now call "classic alternative") was really good.

It's well known that one of my favorite bands is The Cars. Even though their first couple albums came out in the 70's, I consider then an 80's band. Same with Blondie and the Police.

To digress a little, I've noticed that most of my favorite bands had (past tense--none of my favorites are still around) had a ton of variety. Sure they had a style, but they managed to do so much with it. The vocals for one. Kurt Cobain, Chris Cornell, Debbie Harry had several vocal styles. Most people think Ric Ocasek sang all The Cars' songs, but lead vocals were split pretty evenly between Ric and Ben Orr. (That's sort of an interesting thing: there was lots of subtle variation from song to song with The Cars, and sometimes it was hard to tell who sang what. I guess you could describe Ric and Ben as two Gaussian distributions who overlapped a bit. There were definite "Ric" songs and "Ben" songs, but they were really good at blurring that line as well.

Nirvana's instruments/effects varied quite a bit. The guitar tone from Smells like Teen Spirit is nothing like anything on Bleach. (Nevermind had less variation than Bleach.)

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(03/20/08 2:55 PM)

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One interesting thing about variety in Nevermind, though, which I was thinking about lately, was how it used bass. Hardly any other album I can think of used bass so integrally. (Okay, exceptions would be made for those uncommon bands where the bassist is more famous than the guitarist, like Red Hot Chili Peppers) Most bands just bury bass in the mix. But Nevermind has

-The guitar minimized during the verse of Teen Spirit, leaving it up to the bass.
-Parts where the guitar drop out, leaving bass in In Bloom.
-Bass solo in Lithium
-Bass solo in Polly
-Bass intro to Lounge Act
-Bass and drums intro to Stay Away

A lot of people think the main variation in Nevermind is between soft and loud, but instruments get revolved around a bit, too.

I saw a video on Youtube (I think it may originally have been on VH1 -- it was from a "great albums" series) about how Butch Vig gave Kurt Cobain his guitar tone on Drain You. He had him do a bunch of different takes with different tones / effects, then layered them on top of each other.

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(03/20/08 7:18 PM)

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Facilitypro wrote:
I think most of what was considered "bad" or an "embarrassment" from the 80's came near the beginning (disco [which was more of a 70's thing anyway]) or the end (hair metal) of the decade. If you wanna give it a label, I'd say the "new wave" of the early to mid 80's (what some people now call "classic alternative") was really good.

There was also New Kids on the Block and Milli Vanilli. I think the biggest problem is that stuff like that somehow became what was most popular and obscured better bands.

Also, for awhile there, it seemed like the 70's had a much worse reputation. When people would ask what type of music I liked, without thinking I would respond, "I like 70's music", to which I'd get replies of, "Ha ha! You like disco!!", and I'd have a blank stare. For a long time, I really wasn't even aware of what era the music I was listening to was from so I didn't realize that disco was the same era as some of the rock music I liked. I also probably wasn't aware that some of that rock music was even older.

Think of what you're saying,
You can get it wrong
And still you think that it's all right.
Think of what I'm saying,
We can work it out
And get it straight or say good night.

There is a house in New Orleans
They call the Rising Sun
And it's been the ruin of many a poor boy
And God, I know I'm one

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(03/21/08 6:09 PM)

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I was thinking of saying New Kids on the Block, but it occurred to me that I didn't really know any of their songs, just their reputation. So, FO played some of their songs on Youtube last night. Yeah...

To go back to variety and Nirvana again, that's one thing that's so great about Incesticide. It seems like a lot of people consider it to just be a curio from them, not even a real album (I think Krist even said something about having put out "three" albums after In Utero), but I think it's a five star album. It's just so diverse.

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(03/22/08 7:09 AM)

Frickin' Fred Durst on Stilts

I hate to say this, but...I'm not a fan of the Backstreet Boys, but I think even they are more talented than New Kids on the Block. That "I Want it That Way" song (which Weird Al parodied as "Ebay") has really cliche lyrics, but at least the melody is kind of catchy and their voices aren't too bad. NKOTB has terrible lyrics, terrible melodies (if you can even call them that), and their voices aren't very good. I remember when that "Didn't I Blow Your Mind This Time" song came out in the 80's, I thought it was the worst thing ever. And people wondered why I was listening to 60's and 70's rock.

After making that post about Milli Vanilli, I looked up some of their videos on YouTube. I don't know what the saddest part is about the whole situation, but one thing I do know is that the reason that scandal happened is because their manager felt that the people who actually did the singing and rapping weren't very photogenic and he wanted to match Rob and Fab's dance moves to their music. But the thing is...in the "Girl You Know It's True" video, I wouldn't even say that their dancing is particularly special or even good. Mostly everything they do is very simple. They pretty much stand in one spot for the whole video. They might be (have been) capable of doing better, but it certainly didn't show through where it was supposed to. Compare that to Michael Jackson's stuff from 80's.

Think of what you're saying,
You can get it wrong
And still you think that it's all right.
Think of what I'm saying,
We can work it out
And get it straight or say good night.

There is a house in New Orleans
They call the Rising Sun
And it's been the ruin of many a poor boy
And God, I know I'm one

Crawl and 1OOO

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(03/22/08 9:18 AM)

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One thing that's so annoying about their "Didn't I Do it Baby?" is that they sound like they're whining.

And look at their lyrics for Step by Step:

Step by step ooh baby
Gonna get to you girl
Step by step ooh baby
Really want you in my world

Hey girl in your eyes
I see a picture of me all the time
And girl when you smile
You got to know that you drive me wild

What does any of that have to do with "step by step"? There's no steps. And why add in that expression when it's a cliche?

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(03/22/08 4:08 PM)

Frickin' Fred Durst on Stilts

The "steps" come later in the lyrics:

Step one
We can have lots of fun
Step two
Theres so much we can do
Step three
Its just you and me
Step four
I can give you more
Step five
Dont you know the time has arrived

Um. Yeah. That's songwriting on par with "One, two, buckle my shoe. Three, four, open the door"...

Think of what you're saying,
You can get it wrong
And still you think that it's all right.
Think of what I'm saying,
We can work it out
And get it straight or say good night.

There is a house in New Orleans
They call the Rising Sun
And it's been the ruin of many a poor boy
And God, I know I'm one

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(03/22/08 4:09 PM)

I Ain't Afraid of No Ghost

Or "This Old Man."

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(03/24/08 2:07 AM)

and my bird can sing too!

r.e.m. was truly indie in the 80s. and in the 80's yankee indie was truly indie and not like an alternative spelling for "alternative music" or "adult alternative".

modern indie is not indie enough!

"How can we jump over our shadows when we no longer have one?How can we pass out of the century (not to
speak of the millennium)if we do not make up our minds to put an end to it, engaged as we are in an indefinite work of mourning for all the incidents, ideologies and violence which have marked it?"
- THE END OF THE MILLENNIUM OR THE COUNTDOWN , Jean Baudrillard.

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