EGM (and 1up.com) has changed to an A to F format for reviews because there's no question that a C is average compared to a 5/10.
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I hate to start a whole topic, but I don't know where to put this.
EGM (and 1up.com) has changed to an A to F format for reviews because there's no question that a C is average compared to a 5/10. |
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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That's not really true. It's a lot easier to justify a 5/10 as being average than a C. It's just that game reviewers wasted their chances to
establish 5/10 as average.
A C in many contexts is a failing grade. It's a failing grade in graduate school. You can lose many scholarships if you get too many C's. Some kids might get disciplined if they get too many C's. I also doubt that if you averaged every student's GPA (in highschool or college or whatever) that you'd get 2.0, but I can't find any data on that. What they're actually doing is the exact opposite. They're not establishing C as average, they're establishing an A as not very special. Every year, thousands of kids get A's. So, how can you complain about a magazine giving out too many A's?
See how your opinion ruined Christmas for everyone!
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CLOUDBOND007 |
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That was their opinion, not mine, just to clarify. I haven't really decided how I feel about it yet. It might be nice if they really do use a larger range
of scores now.
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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Any examples of their scores?
See how your opinion ruined Christmas for everyone!
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CLOUDBOND007 |
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Yeah, that'd help. I haven't read it yet so this is my first time seeing these as well.
And now that I have, it seems they went pretty easy on everything except the stuff you already knew was terrible without needing a review. By the way, this is the April issue, but I don't think it's part of an elaborate joke. There's already something in there about Lego Halo, which is probably it. Destroy All Humans! Big Willy Unleashed- C+, D+, C+ No More Heroes- B, A-, B- Obscure: The Aftermath- D+, D, D+ Dynasty Warriors 6- C, D+, D+ MLB 2K8- B, B-, B Condemned 2: Bloodshot- A-, B+, B Lost Odyssey- B+, B-, B Sega Superstars Tennis- B-, C+, C Profressor Layton and the Curious Village- A-, B+, A- Ninja Gaiden: Dragon Sword- A-, A-, B Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney- A-, B+, A- Crisis Core: Final Fantasy 7- B+, B+, A- God of War: Chains of Olympus- A, A-, A- Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles- Ring of Fates- A, B-, B- |
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Flying Omelette |
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CLOUDBOND007 wrote: HA HA HA HA! I just made a post about letter grading in game reviews at insomnia's forums this morning and I didn't even know about this.
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Incidentally, I agree with yours and Alex's comments there.
The only reason to not have scores would be if you were really wishy washy, and said "this game has some good and bad points" about every game and never, ever committed to a real, strong opinion. The reason why that is bad should be self evident. (You could argue that you're still giving a score -- it's just that in that case, everything gets a score of 1/1).
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Another issue is the stigma against being average.
I've seen some people say they don't want to play average games, but in actuality, what they don't want is to THINK they're playing average games. People like to think of their experiences as special, no surprises there. But, look, if you play so many new games a year, you will play average games. If you want to seriously beat a lot of games for one system, you will play a lot of average games. If you want to beat a lot of games for a not-especially-popular system (eg., Turbo Grafx), you will definitely play a lot of average games. If you want to play a lot of games in a particular genre (eg., RPGs), you will play a lot of average games. Why don't people like to think of what they do as average? Take an example. It's a big election year, so one job that comes to mind is city councilman (/person). If you're a city councilman, you probably make a decent amount of money*, you probably get decent benefits. Since you got elected, you probably have the respect of hundreds if not thousands of people. You have some power. You can control and influence some things. There are probably lots of people who would change places with you. On the other hand, you aren't the President. You aren't a senator. You aren't even the mayor. Outside of your city, probably few know your name. 100 years after you die, few will probably even remember your name. So, you're not that far above average. But is that such a terrible thing? *-(I did a Google on this, and, depending on the city, some city councilmen make surprisingly low salaries -- maybe even low enough to be poverty level if that's their only source of income! On the other hand, some cities give salaries many times that. In any case, I think it's likely that councilmen are still getting by okay -- either they independently have money, or something) |
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da dick |
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i think most of the game i ever played had average scores. a few of them had average scores even though i enjoyed them a lot.
"How can we jump over our shadows when we no longer have one?How can we
pass out of the century (not to
speak of the millennium)if we do not make up our minds to put an end to it, engaged as we are in an indefinite work of mourning for all the incidents, ideologies and violence which have marked it?" - THE END OF THE MILLENNIUM OR THE COUNTDOWN , Jean Baudrillard. |
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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That's exactly what I said above; did you read it?
You might just enjoy average games. |
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Flying Omelette |
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One explanation I have is that we're simply not taught to. We're not taught to settle for being average, therefore we don't want to think anything
we do is average.
We're taught from the time we're capable of understanding complete sentences to "be whatever we want to be" and "follow your dreams" and "don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise". We don't teach to "live responsibly" and everyone wonders why so many don't.
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da dick |
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actually i have bad habit of avoiding or feigning indifference towards anything vaguely populist or highly rated, due to early exposure to "indie"
elements. so even though i played mostly "average" games, i might have played more bad games than you have.
"How can we jump over our shadows when we no longer have one?How can we
pass out of the century (not to
speak of the millennium)if we do not make up our minds to put an end to it, engaged as we are in an indefinite work of mourning for all the incidents, ideologies and violence which have marked it?" - THE END OF THE MILLENNIUM OR THE COUNTDOWN , Jean Baudrillard. |
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One explanation I have is that we're simply not taught to. We're not taught to settle for being average, therefore we don't want to think anything we do is average.Boy, that's not the impression I got from early life at all. Just the opposite. Usually, if you tell someone you have big dreams, they laugh at you and give the impression of, "YOU?! You're nothing special!" It reminds me of the part in American Movie where Mark Borchardt's, a guy whose trying to make movies, brother says he should be working in a factory. I also vaguely remember part of a story (can't remember the name, or even who wrote it) where a kid looks in a store, and his dad says, "You'll never even be able to afford the plate glass window of that store!" |
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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Here's a quote from David Lee Roth from a Rolling Stone interview on the subject of people telling him to not follow his dreams:
When you're back in school, saying, "I want to go onstage; I want to go on the road," all your friends, your family, keep telling you you're crazy: "You're sacrificing your education, your financial security, your social background. You're not going to be a family man in the Christian sense of the word. What if you don't make it? After all, only one in a zillion do. Man, you're crazy."I can *kind of* see what you're saying, though. |
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Flying Omelette |
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Crawl and 1OOO wrote: Whenever situations like that arise in movies or stories, the "underdog" character usually ends up on top, anyway. There's even something
like that "plate glass window" thing in the Wayne's World movie when Garth keeps telling Wayne that he'll never be able to afford that guitar
he wants...but of course, he eventually does get it.
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da dick |
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all that optimism(sp?) is probably what drive jocks to play more football than read anything... though football probably keeps them in school.
"How can we jump over our shadows when we no longer have one?How can we
pass out of the century (not to
speak of the millennium)if we do not make up our minds to put an end to it, engaged as we are in an indefinite work of mourning for all the incidents, ideologies and violence which have marked it?" - THE END OF THE MILLENNIUM OR THE COUNTDOWN , Jean Baudrillard. |
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Flying Omelette |
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Josh Becker once said, "There's no rising above your influences."
Uh, there's no way I could possibly agree with that. Everyone is influenced by something and the only way anyone ever turns out anything great is by rising above those influences. Making anything good at all requires you to rise above everyday influences. Great art is often a response to or criticism of those influences, especially in music. However, there are two points to be made about that: 1. It doesn't hurt to have SOME good influences. If all you ever read are comic books or all you ever watch is anime, then you're probably going to end up making the same mistakes and relying on the same cliches that are evident in those things. 2. Rising above your influences requires one to accept that their influences aren't perfect, to recognize the problem areas, and improve on them. But a lot of people believe that everything they like is perfect and won't accept any criticism of it at all, which again leaves them prone to making the same mistakes. Maybe that's also why there's so much imitation. "I can't do any better than this. It's already perfect, so I'll just do the same thing."
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If all you ever read are comic books or all you ever watch is anime, then you're probably going to end up making the same mistakes and relying on the same cliches that are evident in those things.Come on. That's obviously what he meant by saying there's no rising above your influences. |
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Flying Omelette |
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???
Maybe that's what he means, but that's not what that sentence is saying.
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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That's exactly what it's saying.
If he phrased it, "If you experience great art, you can make great art. If all you seek out and are satisfied with is crappy art, you're probably just gonna make crappy art," maybe that would please you more, but it's just wordier. Making great art after only being exposed to crappy art would be "rising above your influences." |
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Flying Omelette |
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All I'm going to say is that I'm standing by what I said 100%. I know that's what he means, but that's not what that sentence is saying, by
legal definition of the words he's using as per the English dictionary.
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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Sentences say what they mean. The English language is not like a computer program, where there is only one possible meaning for a phrase, and you can test it
by running it. It depends on context, and the ability of the reader to decode meaning. Sentences can have metaphor, irony, overstatement, and other figures
of speech. If the reader knows what the writer is saying but decides to ignore that because some alternate reading is also possible, then the reader is acting
in bad faith. It is IMPOSSIBLE to construct sentences in English with unambiguous meanings. If you want to read sentences like that, then these sentences
would also be meaningless:
-Turn the other cheek. (How do you turn a cheek? By pinching it and twisting?) -To be, or not to be. (Sentence has no subject, so is meaningless) -Wind the clock. -Our father, who art in heaven, hallowed by thy name. (So, I guess my biological father is in heaven, painting or something) |
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Not only that, but FO wasn't even interpreting "rising above" in some "standard way". She was interpreting it as saying, "Even if
you're exposed to good or great art, you can't rise above it, meaning, you can only regurgitate what's there." I don't think that's
what "rise above" means, any way you want to interpret it.
Then she was making some argument about how if Shakespeare was the greatest writer ever, or Orson Wells was the greatest movie maker ever, then they had to rise above their influences to become the greatest. Okay, but 99.99999% of the time, the sentences is *literally* true. And even Shakespeare and Orson Wells exposed themselves to a lot of great art. So, even if their cases, it's pretty close to true. They didn't rocket past their influences to become the next phase of human evolution; they just did a little bit better, and with the help of their influences (Heck, Shakespeare even had to borrow plots from his influences). Arguing the sentence in that case is, in my mind, very pedantic. Here's the quote in context. He was answering this question: Anyway you said something a while ago like all directors who were inspired by Star Wars made crummy movies. That bothered me because it's pretty accurate. Lots of action directors now rip off Sam Raimi (or try to) and the result sucks... And I know aspiring filmmakers who are so influenced by stuff like anime, kung-fu movies, bad comic books that they'll probably never make anything decent.And his answer was As the old saying goes, "Shit in, shit out." If you only watch crap, you can only make crap. There's no rising above your influences. Meanwhile, I don't read sci-fi anymore, and I haven't in a long time. Way back when I liked: Isaac Asimov, Robert Heinlein, Arthur C. Clarke, Harlan Ellison, Mack Reynolds, Jack Finney. I can't think of any others. But the point isn't to just read the one genre you like, it's to read as much as you can to get a solid idea of how stories are told. In context, I think his meaning is crystal clear. But if you wanted to nitpick semantics... "get a solid idea of how stories are told." As opposed to what? A liquid idea of how stories are told?
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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I'm sorry if I'm running this topic into the ground, but FO misinterprets me so often, and I think she does it on purpose when she knows what I'm
trying to say, and it gets so frustrating.
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Flying Omelette |
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I think it's just the opposite. You just ignored everything I just said. If you hadn't, you would have seen where I specifically said I knew that's
what he meant and didn't need it re-explained back at me.
Not only that, but in many situations you make 0 attempt to understand me at all, and/or you state things as though they're self-evident and then complain when others do the same thing.
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Flying Omelette |
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And I'm not even going to respond to those posts about the English language, because you KNOW that's not what I mean and I'm not responding to
pretentious strawman arguments.
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