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(09/06/07 6:12 PM)

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I've got to catch up on the archiving again.

I just started playing Breath of Fire II. Something I had been planning on even before the recent discussion of it. It's recently become available as a Wii download, so I went for it today. The intro does a really good job of drawing you in. The translation is poorly written, we all know that, but it seems a lot more interesting after trying to figure out the Garland paradox in FF1 yet again. There's also the fact that my expectations were rather low going into it and most sentences are more coherent than I thought they would be.

It's really weird how much of a difference playing on a television can make versus using emulation. I'm feeling such nostalgia, and so many memories from the time we got the game are coming back to me. This never happened when I would mess around with the game on my PC. While nothing at all fancy, the speakers I use for the consoles are much, much better than what I've got available for my PC, and a soundtrack I already like is a lot more enjoyable. I obviously don't know if this means I'll be able to play the game through to the end with my poor attention span, but it's a start.

To elaborate on the memories, this was one of the last RPG's I played and enjoyed with my dad. It had been intended for the coming Christmas but since we had also purchased FF7 and Ocarina of Time, it seemed like it wouldn't do any harm to open this "lesser" game early. We really had a blast playing it at the time and it turned out that he didn't care for Zelda or FF7 much at all when we finally tried those. I even remember the trip to FuncoLand to buy these games and looking at the packaging (BOF2 was cart only) on the way home. I had been a Nintendo Power subscriber at the time and I dug out any issues relevant to the game. I remember at least one Epic Center that dealt with it, maybe on how to get the best ending.

For other things, I've watched the entire first season of Venture Brothers and loved it. I'm starting on the second one.

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Yeah, playing emulation has it's benefits for me, but there's nothing like playing a real NES. The big TV, actual NES controllers, etc. are all part of the experience.

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Oops, I never answered this from the other topic:

What about the archaeological expedition?

I've been working on that one, but the problem is that it's not turning out to be as funny as I had thought it would be when I originally had the idea for it. It's also much too wordy in the beginning. If I continued to write it as it is, I'd have to put parts of it through a rewrite and probably draw some scenes for it. I might even have to split it up into at least a two-parter.

I have an idea for another sketch, but I don't have time to write it now. Maybe I'll work on it tomorrow if I don't have to work too late.

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Sounds hilarious!

This thread is almost putting me in the mood to replay R-Type Delta...

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Well, I met the revived Balan, and he told me to meet him in Fargasta (I'm posting this as a note to myself in case I forget). I'm quitting for now, because while I hope BJ was exaggerating when he said it takes an hour to kill him, I have a feeling he wasn't.

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This thread is almost putting me in the mood to replay R-Type Delta...

Did you post this in the wrong spot because that seemed to come out of nowhere unless I'm missing something.

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Looks like you've made a fool of yourself yet again, Cloudbond!

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That's CloudBozo to you, mister. And I just got it. Delta.

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did nobody love thunderforce?!?

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was playing my "hacker weed" when i found a bug which is as fatal as that "trashcan/whatever stuck to your hands permanently" bug. in the event where simon walters interrogates and kills one of the NSF terrorists in prison cell, i knocked both of the NSFs out to see if i can "save them" before simon could ask them anything. that pisses off simon("jesus christ, denton! this is going on your record.") and apparently breaks the game. after i did that, it was impossible to get out of the UNATCO base without getting a memory error and crashing the game. not even when i try to load the map outside of UNATCO by cheating. same bloody error. so i loaded an earlier savegame, and knocked out the NSF just before simon pulls his gun out. by doing this , the game seems to believe that simon killed the NSF and he spoke the appropiate(sp?) dialogue for it. in this case, the game didn't break. i guess it's still possible to save the corrupted savegame by changing some event flags and reloading the map via the cheat menu, but i don't feel debugging an 6 year old game for kicks.

noticed that shannon is a lot more friendlier towards you if you didn't meet her in the women's toilet, the 1st time you were in the base. she's actuallly the one who reveals that there's 2 hidden panels in alex's office. i think it's actually the place where she and a certain trooper hid the stuff they stole from the armoury. don't know why the game doesn't allow the player to turn her in earlier. the other trooper will blatantly try to sell you stuff he hoarded. another thing is that boss mandelay got very upset when i purposely killed the reporter in the bar before attacking the warehouse generator. didn't dock my pay. it's later revealed in the game by filbert(or whateverhisname) that the reporter was UNATCO and MJ12's informant. the boss doesn't get upset if you kill other people in the bar(that's what i did in the 1st run, but the reporter got away).
later on, for the next mission where i go looking for the NSF airfield, i think i still wasted too much time killing everything including the bots. harder because of crappier weapon skills, easier because i could open up more stuff with my lockpicking skill. i did collect too much LAMS,but that's from doing subquests and then whacking the people who gave me the quests. yeah, wasted too much mutlitools, lockpicks AND ammo exploring almost everyone bit of the area and killing stuff. i'm just not used to playing nice and stealthy. not patient enough. just don't feel right leaving something behind which could kill me in seconds if i'm careless. also wasted too much bioelectric cells while playing around with my super strength and speed. especially superspeed. there're some really huge areas to run through, in this game. ok, maybe i wouldn't run low on rifle ammo if i trained in pistols which are more economic, but i am trying to complete this game with at least advanced skill in the electronics, lockpicking and computer... ah crap, i should stop being so trigger happy. it's reminding me of the little monologue from the NSF prisoner. some shite about right to bear arms ,every yankee citizen being a little fortress and not needing the man to oppress 'em. wtf, are all NSF troops suppose to be texans? i later met an ex-NSF guy(who's now a bum) with a deep southern accent, babbling about the lord. this is weird since the NSF boss sounds mexican or maybe spanish. i can't imagine texans liking mexicans much.

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I'm pirating another Japanese PC fighting game. Yahoo.

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Captain Ladd Spencer wrote:
Well, I met the revived Balan, and he told me to meet him in Fargasta (I'm posting this as a note to myself in case I forget). I'm quitting for now, because while I hope BJ was exaggerating when he said it takes an hour to kill him, I have a feeling he wasn't.

The first time I ever got to that boss, I thought something might have been wrong with the game, too, because I was past the 45-minute mark before he went down. And when I got to him one time when Crawl was watching me play, he commented about how long it was taking, too.

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Wow, I beat Balan in 25 minutes. I was probably overleveled, because I initially attempted Aine's tower and failed, but went back for the goods and the enemies in the tower were giving everyone levelups every other battle.

I wonder, is Balan Kia's father? Although their pictures in the manual show Kia with pink hair and Balan with black, in the game they have the same hair color and I think someone (Amon?) even mentioned that. And then there was the way Balan reacted to Kia jumping in front of him and pleaing to stop being evil.

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Strange but I never picked up on that before. It's possible.

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I started a solo (every other character died in the first battle) Black Mage game of Final Fantasy 1.

I was about to say, "I probably will class change" (so it'd be a Black Wizard game really), but I don't know if I'll stick with this. I was mostly curious about what the experience would be like.

It is very, very difficult to get your feet at first. You can't survive more than one battle, but you might not be able to save after every battle, because not every party gives you enough gold to save.

When I got to level 2, my HP mostly doubled (from 25 to 48). When I got to level 3, I had an "Earthbound moment", where he only gained 1 max HP. I even tried resetting and gaining that level multiple times, to see if it was randomly determined. But when I got to level 4, it went up into the 70's. Level 5 was another Earthbound moment.

I beat Garland at level 5, after a couple of tries. Then I made it to Provoka after a couple of tries (running from every encounter). And I have to confess that I kind of save-state cheated, because I made a save state before leaving Corneria (remember that this game only has one save slot). And I'm glad I did, because I could make no progress at all at Provoka. I was only able to beat one enemy in that area, the Salamander (I think), who gave me 50 exp and 50 gold. (edit: It was more experience than that) But that was not enough to gain a profit after saving. And that enemy rarely showed up. So, I went back to Corneria.

I think you need to have 450 Gold before heading to Provoka. That will let you both rest at the inn, and buy one level 2 spell. Maybe that would help with some enemies in the area. I wasn't able to kill even one grey wolf (in a party of something like, two wolves, one grey wolf, two imps, one grey imp) with several uses of my LIT spell.

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I got kind of addicted to that. It seems like every other level, the Black Mage only gains 1 HP, while on the others, he gains ~25+. I ended the night at level 8, which gave me ~120 HP. It still wasn't close to enough to beat the pirates! It's so weird that such weak enemies can be such a pain. I can kill any pirate with one attack, and on any given round, about half of the pirates miss cleanly. But then there'll be the one that manages a critical of 26, and a few that get in 12. I've managed to kill at least 3, if not 4, of the pirates so far.

The way I got to that point:

It didn't take too long to earn over 450 gold. I ran to Provoka, and got the Ice spell. Then I ran back and saved again in Corneria. Then I'd cross the bridge and walk to the first swamp on the other side. There, I'd frequently run into single Ogres or Creeps -- sort of tough enemies, but ones I could take out with a use or three of Ice magic, and reap big experience rewards at the end (nearly 200 for the Ogre).

I'm tempted to do that again. It's much harder to gain levels near Provoka, at least now. I swear, I must have died at least 100 times tonight.

One thing that's great about this game is the number of enemy parties you can fight. In Phantasy Star 4, enemy parties could only have two species. In maybe that game and definitely many others, not only might you only fight a few species, but even the specific permutations of how many of each type will be the same for battle after battle. In Final Fantasy, you can fight one Mad Horse, or two, or four. Or 1, 2, 5 or 6 wolves. Or 5 wolves and a grey wolf. Or two grey imps, an imp, two wolves and a grey wolf. Or an ogre. Or an iguana. Or a creep. Or two ogres and two creeps.

It's interesting enough while playing the game normally, but as a solo black mage, single powerful enemies (like the ogre, or even two ogres) might be easily dealt with, but 6 weak enemies might be impossible.

But I'm done for the night. Since I can't beat the pirates now, and since the next level gain should be the one accompanied by a low HP boost, I'll need to gain TWO levels to beat them.

It's sort of interesting that I'm already at level 8. I don't know for a fact where I'd be if playing the game normally, but probably at least close to getting the CROWN.

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Took care of Krishna and Aine. They both took me as long to kill as Balan.

I had the Debug error happen to me when fighting Aine, but it was different. When I cast Kia's earthquake spell, "Krakatoa" I think it's called, the sound effects stopped but no error message appeared. Then when Aine used his basic arrow attack the error message appeared. The spell sounds effects all silenced, though normal attack and injury cries still worked, but I encountered another side effect of this glitch. Spells that made the fairies appear and Resurrect caused some funny things to happen. When a fairy spell was used, sometimes a bunch of horizontal lines in the fairy's shape would take the fairy's place, but usually the entire top half of the screen would be covered in a transparent blue static or box-like cells and what have you. Resurrect made all sorts of crazy shit happen, covering the entire screen with effects like the fairy spells, even smaller boxes of these effects that spiraled around the screen, and once I got some kind of mist effect. And the best part; the game crashed after I beat Aine.

The error message's text wasn't the same. The second line had more details, and part of it would change between something like "YOUSPEL" to "RESURRECT" if I used a fairy spell or Resurrect respectively. I guess it was a similar error, but not this exact one.

When I refought him, I kept his Agility down, so that made him easier. At the end he killed Kia, I attacked with Gryzz, and that killed him. I was not fighting him a third time, so Kia just gets to stay four levels behind everyone else.

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Going back to Balan being Kia's father, I'm also wondering if Novia is her mother. The Grandmother whose name I forget and Novia both knew the location of the Holy Vessel like it was a family secret, and Kia's a gifted magician, and in the manual Novia looks like an older Kia. Of course, when the grandmother is lying wounded after Aine's attack Kia says something like "You didn't tell mother when I set the cat on fire", but that might have just been Working Designs being themselves. Balan says something about Novia loving him after the second fight with him, and a prior connection to Novia, who's the high priestess of the land where Vlag was battled and Radoria claimed Madriker long ago, would explain how Balan got his hands on Madriker. Like Novia gave it to him as a "gift", and it turned him into her evil tool. That's cruel.

I'm probably getting way ahead of myself, but what can I say, I like to think about stuff like this.

Earlier I said Kia's hair was pink the manual. Actually, it's gray in the manual, but on the cover it's pink, and in the game it's a really gray purple.

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Isn't the solo Black Mage one of the hardest challenges? I can't remember if White Mage is supposed to be more difficult. She might have some spell that can be abused. The craziest challenge I've seen, and most likely technically impossible, is the "four black mages without magic" game. Some guy spent 30 hours leveling up to kill Astos, no kidding.

In Breath of Fire II, I'm just up to the part where Bow went to steal back something from a mansion and you have to go help him.

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Got to an area in Cool Cool Toon that's a bit more difficult due to the language barrier, even for a music game. The button that has to be pressed is described in Japanese instead of having the normal cues such as the representative letter of the button or a color descriptor, so it's a bit tougher having to memorize the appearance of a Japanese word I can't read for each button and find it in the text box. Other than that, it's been fun, but I don't think I'd recommend it to anyone who wasn't just hugely into rhythm games. I'm glad I didn't spend for it myself, but I'm enjoying it a bit all the same.

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Beat Story Mode in Big Bang Beat (the fighter I downloaded) with Kunagi on Hard difficulty. I barely scraped by a couple of fights, because I'm still leaning the system and moves. I don't have a damn clue about anything that's going on in the story really though, or anything about the characters, since I don't know a thing about Daibancho Big Bang Age. Except that Kunagi Tenrou is pretty hot. And awesome. <3
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The last boss for the story mode has awesome cheezy powar metal music.

(Why do H games seem to keep spawning non-H fighting games though? Awesomely bizarre way to spin-off.)

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I wonder if the glitches in Albert Odyssey are disc defects and not results of the actual programming. The read error appears to be a system message telling you its having trouble reading something. Someone at the Game Pond long ago said they experience the same glitch with that game that I had. But other copies may not have it if the disc isn't defective in the same way. And of course, other discs could have their own defects.

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My copy also has trouble starting up to begin with. It always hangs on the "SEGA SATURN" logo at the beginning longer than any other games, sometimes the Licensed by Sega screen will appear and then the game, but often it kicks me to the Saturn's audio CD player with the message "Checking Disc Format". Usually the upper leftmost icon will eventually turn into "Start Application" but sometimes it doesn't and I have to turn the Saturn off and try again. Sometimes when Start Application appears, it still won't load, and I have to turn the Saturn off. There probably is something wrong with the discs, like Castlevania and the Grim Reaper fight.

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Beat DD with Red on Hard in Big Bang Beat. Took 3 tries. Figuring out the system a bit better, and I used lots of canceling to pretty much destroy him at last. Ren's not bad, but he's not my style. He has a move where he throws an empty coke can in the air though, so he's cool, for being a guy with a golden mullet. I can't get the timing down on his throw super worth a damn though. I mean I can do the move easily, but you need to press the hard attack button at certain point to make its damage not suck. I found a simple but effective combo early on when playing as him. Basic weak, medium, hard, hard shoulder tackle special, medium, hard, hard shoulder again, reapeat until the enemy techs out of it (usually happens after the 3rd time) , simply falls out of it (happened when fighting Kunagi, couldn't get the full thing off on her little butt...) or I run out of power meter and can't do anymore specials until I recharge it.
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Yeah, this game has a meter than determines if you can use specials, just like the good old nonclaasic SNK Art of Fighting. I actually like the feature though.

After fighting the boss twice, I can safely say that's he's broken without being cheap, if that makes sense. Love the cheezy powar metal though.

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Because some other games I wanted were in short supply, Gamefly has shipped Okami. I didn't read every last detail of Codie's posts to avoid spoilers, but I think she found that it didn't come close to living up to it's reputation. Perhaps knowing that in advance, I'll be able to get something out of it.

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I don't think I posted too many spoilers, only when I had to to make a point, and blacked out the more serious ones. There was some good stuff in Okami, but you have to sift through so much fluff to get there. I don't regret playing it.

I beat Albert Odyssey. I went to GameFAQs to figure out how to get through the final dungeon, though I would have been happy to solve it myself if I weren't getting into battles every five fucking seconds.

The final bosses were pushovers (mainly because I was overleveled because of the ridiculous encounter rate), and they all have the same battle song which I thought was really lame. Both all three fights using it, and the song itself.

Well, my theory of Novia being Kia's mother was wrong, but the possibility of Balan being her father still stands.

I know this game exists only because somebody at Sunsoft wanted to make a game with pretty graphics and music, but I still can't help but feel cheated by the plot. So many things are the way they are because they need to be, like Balan having Madriker - did he stumble upon it in the woods and Novia found out it had been found? Then why didn't she just take it, like after Pike killed him the first time? Did she give it to him? Why, if she needed it to resurrect Alorna? Other parts seemed hasty and rushed, like the birdmen vs. beastmen part where you talk to the birdmen, talk to the beastmen, beat up the Necromancer, and everyone's happy and then they're forgotten, or the Dragonmen where you go to their cave and Leos makes a potion and everyone's cured and Gryzz joins. And the Gryzz clone came out of nowhere (and I didn't know about the Circus in that town, so this scenario was a real WTF), as did several of the villans like Aine and Krishna who then vanished just as quickly (even Alorna comes out of nowhere).

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Pummeled Powar Metal Music Man with Rouga, the uh...."dashing" protagonist who wears pink gloves and a pink belt. A baddass fighter dood who gets all the women he wants can also wear whatever colours he likes!
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Because he's the default selection, he's stupidly easy to use. Using him basicly seems to revolve around using simple combos with QCB punches. All three can be chained into each other, and then those can connect to his super punch if they haven't been knocked back too far yet. Each of the qcb attacks has special properties to them though, so you can pull off even more neat and pretty damn easy tricks, along with other stuff.
Did I mention the taunt system in this game is like Street Fighter 3's, where taunting had benefits like increased defense for Q and other whacky stuff? Rouga's taunt increases his attack power by 5% each use. Can only be used 3 times, but still....

Pink gloves of POWAR~!

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Breath of Fire II... after dropping Bow off to work on that house, I went to Corsair. I found that you can get free healing by going into town during the day, stopping by the bar, and agreeing to kill time until it's night. Works just like an Inn, but you save 20 coins. I got the best equipment for Ryu and went to the Tag Woods (a lot of this game is overly abbreviated, but I can't make sense of that one) to meet Baba. I was at level 7, but reached level 8 at some point during the trip.

I got two Game Overs from random battles. There's this one guy who either does no damage or does a critical hit which takes of about 1/3 of your HP. He's fine to beat on his own but when he's paired up with the harpies or with the plant that can make you fall asleep, things can quickly spiral out of control. It's only Ryu by himself. It helped that reaching level 8 meant that I could kill the harpies in one hit. It was a huge pain when they would keep curing themselves.

Eventually, I made it to Baba and beat him easily. I had forgotten that he said he'd never fight again. That seemed a little bit of an overreaction.

Back at the coliseum, I ended up losing all my coins. I always forget that you have to not open that chest right away to avoid having Rand take the 1,000 coins and the rest of your money to buy antidotes. The fight with Katt was easy, and now she has joined at level 6. I tried going to fight Augus, but I didn't seem to be a match for him. I already bought the best equipment for Katt, so I'll get her to level 7 or 8 and try it again.

It feels weird to save at the St. Eva church once you know the story.

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I beat Albert Odyssey. I went to GameFAQs to figure out how to get through the final dungeon, though I would have been happy to solve it myself if I weren't getting into battles every five fucking seconds.

I have a walkthrough for that on my site. =(

Other parts seemed hasty and rushed, like the birdmen vs. beastmen part where you talk to the birdmen, talk to the beastmen, beat up the Necromancer, and everyone's happy and then they're forgotten,

That is the entire point of that - The birdmen and the beastmen are too wishy-washy to join the fight against Radoria. Amon is the only one who is rational enough and has the strength of character necessary to help you out.

or the Dragonmen where you go to their cave and Leos makes a potion and everyone's cured and Gryzz joins.

I don't really know what the problem here is. Is it necessary to drag that scene out longer than it already is?

And the Gryzz clone came out of nowhere (and I didn't know about the Circus in that town, so this scenario was a real WTF),

I think if you go there earlier and talk to the people blocking the way to the circus, they'll tell you about it, but say it isn't ready yet.

as did several of the villans like Aine and Krishna who then vanished just as quickly (even Alorna comes out of nowhere).

I mentioned in my review that a lot of the stuff near the end of the game came out of nowhere because it's referencing events in Albert Odyssey 1 and 2. But since very few people who are playing Legend of Eldean are likely to have played those games (and understood them since they aren't in English), couldn't Working Designs have reworked the dialogue to make it more relevant to the current events? Or maybe have some mention of what Novia's trying to do sometime before the last possible minute. Look at how often, for example, Secret of Mana foreshadows the resurrection of the Mana Fortress and coming of the Mana Beast.

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Game Progress Topic Delta

Game Progress Topic Delta