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Nixxy Blayde

Re: "Favorite" Comebacks

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(12/20/05 6:49 PM)

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Sorry, my tv is too big and bulky to rotate on a regular basis

Not to mention that the cable box would slide off and crack me in the forehead.

Crawl and 1OOO

Re: "Favorite" Comebacks

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(12/24/05 5:38 AM)

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I was talking to FO today (er, yesterday), and somehow the topic came around to Castlevania bosses. Then I eventually said something like, You know, the incarnation of Frankenstein's monster in Castlevania 4 is really retarded. I mean, he tosses bottles that makes clones of himself? What the fuck is up with that?

(Then FO brought up the eternally embarassing dancing bosses)

As funny as those issues are, they might seem sort of silly to dwell on if they were my only complaints about the game.

Sometimes it seems to me that when some games are complained about at other places, the complaints begin and end with silly stuff. (And for that matter, often praises begin and end with silly stuff, like leaves in trees) (My R-Type Delta prank review -- and maybe to a lesser extent, my Castlevania III prank review -- was a parody of a person getting hung up on a ridiculous complaint)

I wonder why "debates" (or at least one side of them) always so heavily favor the silly stuff. It's not as though I can't understand a person really holding an opinion on this kind of thing -- I gave an example of my own. But I can recognize it as not being the most pertinent of all possible complaints (expect perhaps under special conditions. If the debate was simply on how atmospheric Castlevania 4 was, rather than in broad terms how good it was, then I think those comments would be relevant). Do other people not necessarily recognize the silliness of silly complaints? And/Or do they not necessarily have more serious complaints to go with the silly ones?

Actually, I guess the most likely explanation is that some people think silly complaints make them hilarious, like they're the new Seanbaby.

"Perhaps one did not want to be loved so much as to be understood."
-Orwell

Crawl and 1OOO

Re: "Favorite" Comebacks

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(12/24/05 8:40 PM)

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I read today an article at the jaded gamer in which probably the most currently active member of the site claimed that Final Fantasy 4 was overrated. He said fans of the game have difficulty explaining why they like it.

I call bullshit on that. I don't believe for one second a person could make any effort to talk to FF4 fans about the game and not hear some concrete reasons why it could be liked. (The soundtrack alone is a pretty concrete reason)

But in a much more general sense, I think the argument "no one can explain why they like this" is bullshit. It's very, very similar to The Method of the False Consensus.

Do people think I've used that argument? I dunno; maybe some people do. I don't believe I've have.

Now, granted, I might find a person's reasons for liking a game to be ridiculous or unconvincing, and maybe I even think that their stated reasons are not their real ones. But I usually don't think that there are no reasons at all. (FO suggested that no one came name why they like Zombies Ate My Neighboors.)

And I even suppose some people might find offensive my own explanations for their opinions. I know we all have been offended when someone claims we don't have our opinions for our stated reasons but for some other one; this has been mentioned in this very thread. "No, you don't like Super Mario Bros. 3 because of its level design; you like it because you're blinded by nostalgia!" I find that jaded gamer's article's explanation for why people like Final Fantasy 4 -- because it's more obscure than Final Fantasy 6 or 7 -- to be fantastically retarded.

On the other hand, I do think that the reason many people consider FF7 to be one of the greatest games of all time (or at least their favorite FF) is because they never played a game like that before. So, the novelty of the experience made it have a big impact. For people who the experience would not be novel for, the impact would be less.

One reason I don't think this is putting words into people's mouths is because this is a point over which both sides of the debate can almost agree, though some interpretation would be different. People that think FF7 is the best FF would consider people like myself to be some old elitist that considers myself superior to others because I made it to the party earlier. On the other hand, they see no reason to go back to some old, outdated game, regardless of whether they like its sequel.

Either way, we're both at least sort of admitting to the fact that when these games are played can affect opinions.

I think what makes my interpretation the correct one is that to appreciate ANYTHING -- not just videogames, and certainly not just the Final Fantasy series in particular -- as an art form, you MUST have appreciate for the thing's history. Period. It's not that I think someone even born today couldn't eventually have a valid opinion on these games, but only if they were able to appreciate their history. A person who has never seen a movie made before 1980 would be likewise unable to judge them as an artform.

"Perhaps one did not want to be loved so much as to be understood."
-Orwell

Crawl and 1OOO

Re: "Favorite" Comebacks

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(12/25/05 2:42 AM)

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From N-Sider, this is the messageboard post of the day:

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Don't even get me started on this NP top 200 lists; do you people play these games with your eyes closed or what? I mean, come on! FF:CC at #42 yet Star Fox 64 is WAAAAY back at #73. Im sorry but with a classic Slippy line such as "why are there ships coming out of the base," or Peppy yelling, "Fox Do a Barrel roll!" that should make that game number 1 in a heart beat!

"Perhaps one did not want to be loved so much as to be understood."
-Orwell

Magical Yard Gnome

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(12/25/05 4:57 PM)

Heavy Metal Chainsaw

That post should be a ytmnd.

Flying Omelette

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(01/11/06 2:23 PM)

But you had to have the BIIIIIG salad!

I sometimes get slightly annoyed with the argument that something is cool just because it has "_____" in it. Now that could apply to a lot of different things, so let me clarify before people get upset:

Like, if I say I didn't like Muppets in Space because it wasn't funny, the plot was bad, it was inconsistent with previous representations of the characters, it was mostly a vehicle to promote new TV shows or sell a new toyline, old characters were given the backburner treatment in favor of new characters that aren't even as good as the old characters, ect., and then someone replies, "Muppets in Space was cool because it had the Muppets in it."

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(01/11/06 5:07 PM)

Sexy Thang

Similarly, calling the came cool because you can "____". Especially when it's something that you can do in a lot of games.

I.E. "Mario Kart DS is cool because you can throw stuff!"

You can throw stuff in a lot of games.

Though I was honestly more irked by one guy saying it was cool because "it's handheld and has online capabilities" and left it at that. There's days where I wish I could punch people through the computer monitors.

It's time for revenge...

Kairobi King

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(01/11/06 6:36 PM)

Eldean Rebel

Any comeback that begins with "u r" is guaranteed to lower your IQ by at least 4 points.

~ Kairobi King ~

Flying Omelette

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(01/26/06 6:59 PM)

But you had to have the BIIIIIG salad!

I was putting together an article for my site when I suddenly remembered some arguments I'd gotten into in the past and some of the most retarded comebacks:

"The only reason you like Kid Icarus is because of the Captain N cartoon."

and

"You wouldn't like Star Fox so much if it was a 2D shooter."

The second one makes about as much sense as saying I wouldn't like The Legend of Zelda as much if it was a football game.

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Crawl and 1OOO

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(01/27/06 2:02 AM)

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You know arguments that go like this?

Person A: [Somewhat plausible statement]

Person B: [Other, contrary, plausible statement]

A: You motherfucker, why don't you fucking die? I'm sick of your face and I'm sick of your shit and every time I read one of your posts I feel like commiting suicide by choking on my own vomit.

B: You fag, why don't you learn to read? Is it because your syphilis addled brain is too full of semen from your dad reaming you up the butt last night?

[back and forth idiocy continues for 200 worthless posts]

What's up with that?

I guess I can't complain about "comebacks" like that too much, because I don't get into arguments like that. (For one thing, I no longer have the patience for any 200 post argument) (Except that if you see an argument like this at a board, you get the idea that there's no sense posting at that board. Taken to its logical extreme, this explains why I post at virtually no other boards anymore)

But does one side somehow think they can "win"?

Some people that do crap like that are my age -- or even older! What the fuck?

"Perhaps one did not want to be loved so much as to be understood."
-Orwell

ACC KAIN

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(01/27/06 6:43 PM)

Band on the Run

"You're stupid, you smell, and you live in your parents' basement" or "you're an attention whore". WTF?

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Captain Ladd Spencer

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(02/08/06 1:02 PM)

Behold the many
uses of my amazing
BIONIC ARM!

Here's something I was reminded of while looking at an IMDb message board.

"That wasn't a bad game/movie. In fact, I'm going to go play/watch it right now/later tonight."

Good for you. But before you do, wanna tell me how it's not a bad game/movie?

CRAWLand1000

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(02/08/06 1:07 PM)

The Fuzzy Physicist
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Well, in general, I think "I liked it" as a defense for a bad movie/game/whatever is meaningless.

Anything could be liked. Anything could be disliked. I've met people that liked Chiller. So what? Back it up; use standards.

"Perhaps one did not want to be loved so much as to be understood." -Orwell

Brigade Delbrack

Re: "Favorite" Comebacks

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(02/09/06 6:41 PM)

Electric Boogaloo

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Gee, Brig, can't imagine why. Not like you never showed up on a board and acted like you owned it.

LOL!! This would happen on boards I'd already been going to for years.

Oh Sassparilla

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(02/10/06 6:43 PM)

One that I really hate is "You shouldn't say that". Um, okay, why shouldn't I? Is God going to strike me with lightning or something? I generally don't like authority figures on message boards.

Flying Omelette

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(02/11/06 1:34 PM)

But you had to have the BIIIIIG salad!

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LOL!! This would happen on boards I'd already been going to for years.

Just because you've been going to a board for several years doesn't mean you should act like you own it.

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Goombog

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(02/11/06 11:34 PM)

Animal Crossing doesn't suck, though.

Don't worry, I brought some good reasons.

You don't just do errands. There are plenty of things to do in this game, it's not like you have to be a good sumaritan toi all the freaking animals.
1--You can steal from Tom Nook's store.
2--You can smack inhabitants in the head with a bug net.
3--You can push animals around and make them cry.
4--You can take off your character's face.
5--You get to design clothes.
6--You get to wash cars.
7--You can take things out of the police station.

As far as I'm concerned, none of those things require errands to be done. Some of those things are so immoral, it's funny.

...And here's a common response I get:
"you don't like ____, eh? Well let's see you do better u noob!"

That freakin' ticks me off...mainly because I have no comeback.

Crawl and 1OOO

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(02/11/06 11:54 PM)

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I've run across some shmup fans who'll practically want to tear your head off if you don't play in Tate mode.

Incidentally, I think I'll refuse to call those sorts of games "shmups".

I'll likely stick with "space shooter", even if a handful of games in the genre don't actually take place in space.

"Perhaps one did not want to be loved so much as to be understood."
-Orwell

Crawl and 1OOO

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(02/11/06 11:56 PM)

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"you don't like ____, eh? Well let's see you do better u noob!"

That freakin' ticks me off...mainly because I have no comeback.

Actually, the come back for that is, "If the game designers didn't want me to be able to have my opinion on their game, they shouldn't have taken my money in exchange for it."

"Perhaps one did not want to be loved so much as to be understood."
-Orwell

Flying Omelette

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(02/12/06 12:53 AM)

But you had to have the BIIIIIG salad!

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you live in your parents' basement"

You know, why do people say this? Assuming that someone actually still is living with their parents, don't people usually have a bedroom? Who actually lives in the basement?

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