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I don't understand why I need a title, a question, and a post body. The question alone seems to cover it.
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I'll import this from another thread
Flying Omelette wrote:
People have said that David Lee Roth didn't want keyboards in Van Halen, even though they had keyboards since their third album (Jump was from their sixth album). Howard Stern repeated this in 2006... HS: "Diamond David Lee Roth never wanted piano in Van Halen." even though Howard Stern had talked about this with David Lee Roth in 1997:
But, you know, if you're my age -- well, I was born the year Van Halen 1 came out, so I obviously wasn't very aware of it at the time. The first time I was really cognizant of Van Halen probably was around the time of "Jump". And going from Jump to the songs off of 5150 was not that big of a shift. If anything, it just seemed like they got a better singer. So, I was wondering a little bit about the Dave vs. Sammy controversy. Heck, from the same interview...
HS: I hate Sammy Hagar, period. But going back now to their earlier albums, I can see how older David Lee Roth songs were more "rock" than some of the stuff they did with Sammy Haggar. So, there is a difference there. Similarly, Jimmy Page said [I] felt that In Through the Out Door was a little soft. I wasn't really keen on "All My Love". I was a little worried about the chorus. I could just imagine people doing the wave and all of that. And I thought, that's not us. That's not us. In its place it was fine, but I wouldn't have wanted to pursue that direction in the future. I can sort of understand fans of rock bands wanting those bands to rock. Part of it might just be that they like bands compartmentalized, which is kind of dumb, but understandable. Another issue is that not a lot of bands really rock -- how often does it seem like rock will disappear, to be replaced with teenie boppers or something? -- so I can understand rock fans getting annoyed to see a band they supported get popular through rock, and then abandon it for softer stuff. Not that I agree with that, but I understand it. I kind of think that Nirvana had some of the best fans in the world. They stuck with them when they went more abrasive with In Utero (though I kind of think the abrasiveness of that record is overstated), and they stuck with them when they went the other way with Unplugged.
See how your opinion ruined Christmas for everyone!
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Brigade Delbrack |
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I hate Jump and Sammy Hagar.
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Forum Jackass |
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Well I don't, so there.
Oh my God, they found Tom.
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da dick |
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i prefer def leppard?
"How can we jump over our shadows when we no longer have one?How can we
pass out of the century (not to
speak of the millennium)if we do not make up our minds to put an end to it, engaged as we are in an indefinite work of mourning for all the incidents, ideologies and violence which have marked it?" - THE END OF THE MILLENNIUM OR THE COUNTDOWN , Jean Baudrillard. |
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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Of course, another reason that "Dave didn't want keyboards in Van Halen" thing refused to die could be that it was true, and that he lied on the
Howard Stern show (it seems like most people believe that he left Van Halen because he thought he was bigger than the band).
This is from a Michael Anthony (the bassist) interview: CB: Let's talk about each Van Halen album from the perspective of Michael Anthony.A lot of fans do seem to hate Jump. It was even mentioned as a Song that Ruined Everything. Of course, it was also their biggest hit, so I doubt they regret doing it at all. |
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CRAWLand1000 |
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So, yeah, I'm becoming a Van Halen fan. I have all of their David Lee Roth albums but Diver Down, and 5150 and
Balance for Hagar albums.
I think all of those albums are at least good. I've been listening to Balance lately, and while it's not an album that delivers one great song, one after another, it has at least four really good songs (Seventh Seal and Don't Tell Me What Love Can Do, two rockers, and I Can't Stop Loving You and Not Enough, two ballad / pop songs). So, even though it might not be one of their strongest efforts, it's still pretty good. Also, while I heard some of those songs off Youtube, the album versions have guitar solos that were cut from the videos. I think 5150 is a great album. Yeah, it's a pop album, not a rock album, but it's a damn good pop album. All of the songs off it that I've heard on the radio -- Why Can't This Be Love?, Dreams, Summer Nights, Best of Both Worlds, and Love Walks In -- are really strong. Dreams has a soaring melody, and the guitar intro to Summer Nights really does remind me of summer. And consider that those radio songs are more than half the album. The other songs are good enough to make the album one that can be listened to straight through. I think I like 5150 even more than 1984; although I like several songs off of 1984, including, yes, Jump, the album as a whole doesn't seem to gel for me as well as 5150. And for the Roth albums, probably at least Van Halen 1 and Fair Warning are great. I'm not the biggest fan of Jamie's Crying, but the album has plenty of other stuff to make up for it. One thing I like is when I hear new songs, not just stuff on the radio, I like on an album, and those albums have some good deep cuts. I'm the One is a really good song, with a really energetic guitar, and something that shocked the hell out of me the first time I heard it: A barbershop quartet style interlude. I always had the feeling, before I bought any of their albums, that David Lee Roth couldn't sing (Mean Streets having some of his most understated undersinging) (though I did think the backup vocals covered that up), so I was pretty surprised to hear a harmony like that. Since I like some unpopular albums by bands, I was wondering if I'd like Van Halen III. Sadly, probably not. I guess Fire in the Hole is a decent song. But most of the songs I've heard from that album on Youtube just aren't good. "Without a foothold in the past, we cannot walk towards the future." -Vagrant Story |
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CRAWLand1000 |
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My favorite song off Women and Children First is probably "Fools". That's probably not too strange.
It's standard Van Halen, though a bit bluesier (but Eddie always said that Eric Clapton was his main influence...) My second favorite song off it is
probably "Could This Be Magic", which might be a strange choice. It's almost like a novelty song. It's sort of an age-of-radio crooner,
with a chorus that sounds intentionally toneless. But it somehow works -- being unique probably helps.
"Without a foothold in the past, we cannot walk towards the future." -Vagrant Story |
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