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Deuce Koma |
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If anyone has a prob with my rep, they can take it up with the business end of my M20B1.
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Honen Calzoun |
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Rosalyn...
![]() Don't you think you're setting bad example? Why does such strong independant woman need a man for, anyway? |
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Deuce Koma |
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Why are you so afraid of people getting on my case about it? It's not like this is some radical feminist blog.
Besides, just because I'm a soldier, that doesn't mean I don't have feelings. I'm not throwing myself at every man that comes along, I only like the really intelligent ones, like you and Prof. McRaven. Well, I'm heading for the basement now. If you'd rather stay out here and get buried under the upcoming post tsunami just because you're a little bit shy around me, that's your choice. But you'll be missing out on a damn good Pachinko tournament if you do. |
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Honen Calzoun |
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Shy? SHY?? I am not shy, I am evil dictator! Dat iz why I have no interest in romance. Shy, my Oni brass.
![]() And I could beat you at dat stupid Pachinko tournament with eyes closed and both hands tied behind back. You wait and see! I come in after you! |
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CRAWLand1000 |
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Quote: Assuming this is actually true, had you posted this earlier, such as when I was specifically soliciting critiques, you'd sound less like you were doing a "I know you are but what am I?" I could go into WAY more detail about the story part of your review, but it's all a minor point. You don't seem to realize that you're trying to say one thing, but that it can be read another way. You might say Jaster is not angsty, but you also say he has "boundless dreams weighted down by the chores of reality" and that he has a "formulaic and mediocre life". Maybe he really isn't angsty (though I question how "resigned" he is if he jumps at the first chance to escape his life), but you're not painting a cheery picture. Hence, I made a joke about it. And you also compare him to Luke Skywalker, who was a pretty angsty teen at the beginning of Star Wars ("Looks like I'm going nowhere.") Yours is not the first review I've read. I've read enough that I apply my own accumulated knowledge (from reviews and games) to read them between the lines. So, when I read it's cliche, but it's good, sorry, I read it as, It's cliche but it's bad. (Besides that KOTOR has the space exploration, and the characters that reveal things to you throughout the game, WITHOUT the cliche framing plot) Quote: Do you honestly think your review is nothing but grade-A information? No fluff? No wordy sentences or constructions that could convey the same information with less verbiage? Do you think you needed every "very" and "quite" in that review? I'm honestly interested, not even as a rhetorical question, how you think nauseatingly detailed game mechanics descriptions help someone know what a game is like. Do I really need to know that pressing triangle brings up the menu in this game? If you didn't mention that, and I assumed it was circle, or start, would the picture I have in my head be horribly flawed? If you just said that you received rewards at certain hunter rank milestones, but didn't spell out, "for each 10 of the first 90 ranks you climb, you receive a hefty reward, and another reward for each rank you climb from 10 to 1," would it be horrible if I assumed the reward structure was ever so slightly different? Or, does this reward structure somehow make the game better or worse than a different structure? What if you were rewarded for each rank, 20 to 1, instead of 10 to 1? Hell, I'll even give you the benefit of the doubt. Maybe you're just trying to make the point that there are a LOT of rewards (19) to earn rather than a just few. And maybe you're trying to make the point that your motivation for gaining those last few levels won't fizzle out, because you're rewarded more for them. Well, firstly, that gets to the "WHY" I was talking about in my first post -- WHY do these details matter? Why do they make the game better or worse? Mixing in criticism with the details would make the review both easier to read, and more convincing. But, secondly, even if you could justify the detail in one case, can you really justify it in ALL cases? Can't some examples speak for all? Look, I'm not the only person who said your review was too long. Would you rather we didn't say anything? I guess it's the same question as what do you do when you see a friend with spinach stuck between his teeth. I'm not trying to be mean, but I would like to see some better reviews. "Without a foothold in the past, we cannot walk towards the future." -Vagrant Story |
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pOrn Sigma |
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![]() ![]() The wanderer is ashamed that he lost track of a giant flying serpentine dragon, but I don't think we can blame him. ![]() The wanderer's shawl is so light that it even billows perfectly horizontal in the air current between two walls seven feet apart in an underground tunnel. ![]() It just now occured to me to try stabbing the colossus... ![]() "PULL MY FINGER!" ![]() Somebody wants us to stop complaining about the bloom. ![]() At first it's perplexing how the wanderer can tightly grip to surfaces and keep his grip on tiny hairs no matter how the colossus trashes and hold on to the bottoms of ridges despite gravity. As we can see here he does it by fusing with the surfaces he touches. ![]() Oops! Looks like he got a little carried away there! It's time for revenge... |
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RevoIver Ocelot |
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Like I said, it wasn't a processed and finalized review. It was just me typing stuff up about the game and stating how I felt about it overall. It was intended to spark conversation about the game, not to induce reviews of my reviews, and in turn reviews of reviews of my reviews. That's the most pathetic and useless practice I've seen on a message board, and I've seen some pretty pathetic stuff on message boards in my years. Although I'll give you some credit, you at least put effort and thought into your trolling.
I include hordes of details because on other forums I frequent that don't have resident obnoxious asses looking to instigate the next pointless argument, I get tired of posting 10 or 15 times after I post a review in response to questions like "I'm interested in this game. What's the battle system like?" "What game does it share the most similarities with?" "If I like this game, are there any others like it that I should check out?" etc, so I've gotten used to answering those questions in the review itself before they can even be asked, and on other forums the members are typically pleased. I've convinced 5 people to buy this game, 3 of them have greatly enjoyed it, one hasn't played it because he doesn't have time. So not everyone shares your opinion on what a review should and shouldn't be, CRAWL, so please, get over yourself. I don't need someone to tell me how to write a review, especially not you. That's like saying "These are the spices you should use to season your meals. If you don't use these spices, you are wrong." |
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Dark Lord Who Spits Bees |
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RevoIver Ocelot |
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Amagons brother |
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Just throwing this out there, 'cause it's a trend in reviewing these days... This is the number of different games/other entertainment referenced in the course of this one review:
Final Fantasy VII Final Fantasy IV Final Fantasy VI Lufia Breath of Fire Final Fantasy X Final Fantasy XII Dragon Quest VIII Xenosaga Dynasty Warriors Valkyrie Profile: Silmeria Dark Cloud 2 Skies of Arcadia Chrono Trigger Dark Cloud Pokemon Movies/TV: Star Wars Samurai Champloo |
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Amagons brother |
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I do realize that a lot of those were in the first two paragraphs in which the author is providing context for his point of view, but that seems to be present merely to lend credibility to the author as someone who has played RPGs for a long time instead of leaving the burden of proof on the actual merits of the game itself. It basically, by taking this approach, says, "I'm credible, and therefore when I say something is good or different, you know I'm right."
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Flying Omelette |
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Yeah. We talked about that here and here.
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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Quote: This is an excellent point. Why should reviews take a stance on what games should or shouldn't be? Reviewing has nothing to do with judging. Reviews should be like this. What really gets me is your surprise that someone could post negative comments on a review. It's like, do you know where you are? Did you read any other posts in this forum? The biggest thread on this page has ~300 posts dedicated to pointing out illogical or self-contradictory lines from other reviews. We're constantly critiquing reviews, lines from reviews, or concepts used in reviews. Regardless of what you think of it, it's the established practice here. Most of the less formal game discussion is in the other forums. I still wouldn't have said anything if CB007 hadn't said your review was difficult to read, and you not only blew him off, but suggested you would write many more reviews like that in the future. |
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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Just to go back to this again...
Quote: ...I can't believe anyone could be such a moron as to not realize that the entire point of reviewing is to judge things. Every single person must know this. Every single review judges things. Your review judged a game. Saying reviews shouldn't judge things is retarded. So, what the fuck are statements like that supposed to mean? I guess one thing it means is, "People are allowed to judge things, unless they judge it differently than I do." I guess the other thing it relates to is Quote: from this review. |
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RevoIver Ocelot |
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Quote: And just to let you know, here's some of the responses I've gotten in regards to these other titles in other boards where I've posted this review: Quote: Yay! Steve Blum! He was also Spike in Cowboy Bebop and Roger in the Big O! Quote:Quote: eh, i thought dq8 looked a little better than rogue galaxy. rg had nice chars but the world in dq8 was a lot more detailed and it was bigger too[/quote] Quote:Quote: Yeah, this game definitely feels like SoA. Doesnt quite compete, IMO, but was still an awesome game. Good write up.[/quote] Quote:Quote: This game is TOTALLY ripped off of Star Wars. Lucas should sue. :P[/quote] |
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pOrn Sigma |
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Quote:Might have helped if we could actually read it. It's time for revenge... |
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RevoIver Ocelot |
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Quote: Yeah.. I think we've officially punched through the bottom of the barrell in terms of immaturity. I never said reviews weren't meant to judge. Did I not judge Rogue Galaxy in my review? The statement was directed at the way you write your reviews and the way you respond to other people's reviews. You think you're some kind of superior deity that holds the keys to all the gaming knowledge in the universe and that the only right way to do things is your way. You think you can tell me how to write a review because you think you exist in some heightened state of being over me. Well, you don't. Your way isn't the right way. You're just another long-haired, neck-bearded nerd on a message board who likes trolling around and jumps at every opportunity to start pointless arguments not even about video games, but how people present their FEELINGS about video games. That's the most pathetic thing I've ever heard. You mock IGN an other sources, and yet you're just as much of an obnoxious prick as Chris Roper or any of the reviewers at IGN. I've never seen someone care so much about how other people present their opinions. Are you so insecure that you need to critique everything you see in order to reassert yourself as superior? Quote: Yeah.. that's exactly what it means, because that's what you're saying by criticising my review in such an arrogant and pompous way. On other boards, I didn't have any problem getting into conversations about Rogue Galaxy by posting this write-up. Even if people didn't read the whole thing, they noticed bits and pieces that interested them and responded to them. We talked and debated, and that's why I join message boards. But you had to demonstrate some kind of faux superiority by making an unnecessary, belligerent critique and starting a flame war, like an average, everyday troll. I just have to ask, what exactly did you get out of it, and are you satisfied? Edit: Quote: And how the fuck is that blowing someone off? I responded to what he said with my own feelings about it. What else did you want me to say to him? That's what he gave me and that's what I worked with. I'm glad CB replied the way he did. It made me think for a second that I would actually get desirable replies about the game from the review rather than a trollstravaganza. |
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pOrn Sigma |
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Quote:Probably helps that they have as much of a grasp on what a review is as you do. It's time for revenge... |
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RevoIver Ocelot |
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Actually I think the deciding factor is that the people on the other boards I frequent aren't obnoxious trolls who act like they have something to prove.
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Amagons brother |
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I don't know if you've read a whole lot of Crawl's posts over time, but here's the thing:
The primary factor in getting him riled up usually is that he really likes video games. He likes them so much that he wants them to be taken seriously by the world at large. What he sees as the primary fault in games not being taken seriously is that the people who play games and the media surrounding games either don't take them seriously themselves or are inadequately representing games with nonsense that will garner no respect for the medium itself, and are more damaging to video games' respect than helpful. When he sees something that perpetuates these problems, he usually says something about it. The initial posts regarding this review weren't particularly venemous, and even could be taken as constructive. If you read these forums, you'll notice posts such as "Single fucked up lines," "Being good vs. Being fun," and "I want to punch Greg Kasavin in the face." Bad reviews are a pet peeve to most of the people who post here. Before you call other people juvenile, though, you've done some name calling yourself here, and your review was too damned long, end of story. Had it been concise and relevant, you might've gotten the discussion you were looking for, but you ignored the tendencies of these boards and the interests of the people who post on them. |
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