I did not know then how a speech about birds and bees could possibly relate to sex. I still do not know.
Any ideas of what that speech could have been?
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Crawl and 1OOO |
Does anyone know what the birds and the bees are? |
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I've always heard about some "birds and the bees" speech, and I learned it was a speech that was supposed to explain where babies come from.
I did not know then how a speech about birds and bees could possibly relate to sex. I still do not know. Any ideas of what that speech could have been? |
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Flying Omelette |
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That's why I thought that joke was so funny in that Bee 52 review. (Sorry to laugh at my own jokes so much, but it is.)
For years I would always hear on TV shows that when it's time for parents to teach their kids about where babies come from, they had to give them a speech called "The Birds and the Bees". But I've never heard any such speech, so that's why I think it's believable that Christopher would think that just because there are bees involved, that it must have something to do with babies.
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MrGorilla |
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According to Wikipedia:
According to tradition, the birds and the bees is a metaphorical story sometimes told to children in an attempt to explain the mechanics and consequence of sexual intercourse. According to that story the birds are like men and the bees like women: Birds are free to fly wherever they like, but bees are enslaved to a single queen their entire life and their whole life is dedicated to keeping her alive. Bees pollinate flowers, birds spread the seed, men impregnate eggs, women give birth. Sex is key for survival of both. The true origin of this phrase, however, comes from the work of John Burroughs, a naturalist who lived and worked in the Catskills Mountains. He wrote a small pamphlet called "Birds and Bees: Essays" in which he explained how nature worked in a way that children could understand. He talked about how the instinct in nature to "build a nest" or a home and to take care of their young. His work was published by Houghton, Mifflin, Company. |
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Flying Omelette |
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I saw that Wikipedia entry earlier, but it still doesn't make much sense. It's basically like, "Birds fly around, bees have a hive...oh, yeah, and
somehow sex is involved there, too."
If that really is how the "speech" goes, then it's another example of a speech that uses birds as a metaphor without really knowing much about birds. A bird can, theoretically, fly wherever it wants. But once nesting season has begun and its eggs hatch, its entire life becomes flying back and forth to that nest with food. That's really no more free than a bee flying back and forth to its hive. Many birds follow very strict migratory patterns, too. Birds do have more opportunities for doing "fun" things, like bathing and singing, than bees, but it's not like they're completely without responsibility, either.
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Facilitypro |
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I really don't think it has some deep, gender-role related analogy. Probably something to do with nature, if anything.
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CLOUDBOND007 |
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Damn it! I'm never going to learn how babies are made at this rate.
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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Yeah, we read that Wikipedia article before starting this thread, and we thought it was worthless.
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Sweetbee.sweetbee |
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I'm pretty sure the metaphor has something to do with the pollination of flowers. At least the cartoon they showed us in 4th Grade sex ed had a lot of that
going on.
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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It seems like the metaphor would be a lot more confusing than just explaining what goes on.
Pollinating flowers, involving birds and bees, is a lot more complicated than human procreation. And for an analogy to work, you need to have an intuitive understanding of half the analogy. Like, if I'd make an analogy to electrons moving through a band diagram to a sled falling down a hill, the assumption is that a sled falling down a hill is something we're all familiar with. But why would a kid be deeply familiar with flowers and birds and bees? Right now, as an adult, I'm not sure what the flower gets, if anything, from having a bird come along and drink its sap. So, how on earth could that explain human procreation? As for the bees, yes, there's pollination going on there, but humans don't need a third party for procreation. Another joke that related to this was on the Simpsons, when Bart and Milhouse skipped school, and Bart was talking about how great the spring day was. The sun was shining, birds are flying about, bees are trying to have sex with them.... Again, the joke being, it's easier to understand, even for kids, sex than some "birds and bees" thing. Which reminds me of something else. For some inexplicable reason, adults tell kids that when a woman is pregnant, she has the baby in her stomach. At some point a kid probably learns that food goes into your stomach to be digested. So... Why isn't the baby digested???? I think most kids get confused about that at some time. |
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Bomberguy221 |
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Question: "Daddy, where's the new baby?"
A. "She's being kept in your mommy's tummy." B. "She's being kept in your mommy's uterus." C. "Go away, evil spawn." ...I think I know which one I'd choose. My point being, there's a level of knowledge kids have about the human anatomy (they can feel their stomachs, if they're hungry or full), and introducing a random part to them would probably be more confusing than saying a certain part does double-time. Unless you're ready with diagrams and explanations that would slightly confuse a female child and totally confuse a male child, I think there's little harm in the tummy explanation. As for the birds and bees thing, I always thought it was how the bees needed to make pollen (and otherwise do whatever they wanted) and the birds needed to have eggs (which needed protection and tending for a long time). You could flip-flop the two and not change anything. Really, any story could be used for "the talk." My sex ed teacher used Old Faithful and Yellowstone Park (and, I have to admit, it was a pretty good one about responsibility - despite the mental images it invokes). You could also do the eel and the cave. The shooter in the grassy knoll. The haves and the have-nots. Insert tab A into slot B. The beautiful thing about sex is that as long as you've got something sticking out and something pulling in, you've got a story wherein you could attach your own moral compass to the tale and it make sense, no matter WHAT the hell is doing it in the conservatory with the candlestick to Mrs. Peacock. Birds and bees are, if I remember my biology right, cross-phylum dating. The freak children from that match-up would break the laws of nature. But when Mommy and Daddy need to explain that they're being intimate with one another to someone who isn't to "that age," it's better to shoot the finger to Mother Earth than come clean and explain things. |
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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But saying a baby is in mommy's stomach doesn't explain anything. For another thing, even if an adult didn't tell a kid ANYTHING, they might guess
the baby's in the stomach because they know that's the general area where the stomach is (although even that's a misconception).
And like I said, the confirmation that the baby is in the mommy's tummy is just more confusing. What was I told when I asked why the baby wasn't digested? Probably something like, "Uhhhhhh...." or "It just isn't." You don't have to use the word "uterus". You can just say "There's a special place inside mommy where a baby can grow." It's not a lie, it's not contradictory, it pretty much IS the answer.
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SETZERtheGREAT |
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All I know is that when I was in grade school, some kids would start singing this song that went like...
"It's all about the.... birds and the bees and the flowers and the trees..." And then they'd stop singing and start laughing hysterically. "People are to be respected
regardless of position or class.
This should always be remembered." - Saradin, Ogre Battle |
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Facilitypro |
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Bomberguy221 wrote: So that explains why you didn't know what a uterus was until you were 19.
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Bomberguy221 |
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Facilitypro wrote: Not like it mattered. |
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Flying Omelette |
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SETZERtheGREAT wrote: I remember one time a bunch of kids in my 5th or 6th grade class would sing a few bars of that song that goes "Look who's back and there's
gonna be trouble. Hey now, hey now, my boyfriend's back", and then they would laugh and snicker and act as though there was something
"dirty" about it. I didn't think anything of it until one day we went on a school field trip and they started singing it on the bus. The
principal turned around in his seat and yelled, "Don't you dare start singing that song!"
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da dick |
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50's teeny boppy songs are irritating?
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SETZERtheGREAT |
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Isn't that the song Kiera said was banned in her school? Or was that "Wait a minute, Mr. Postman"?
"People are to be respected
regardless of position or class.
This should always be remembered." - Saradin, Ogre Battle |
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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Kids in my grade also "knowingly" snickered and laughed at songs.
We used to sing a song like this in music class (the lyrics might have been slightly different) I just now learned that the original spanish version of the song says that he came back to life because cats have seven lives. Anyway, when we got to the part I bolded, all the kids in class laughed (every single time). I guess they thought that his "little solar plexus" was slang for his privates. Also, when I was in first or second grade, there was this kid on the playground who would belt out as loud as he could, "I was BORN ... in my momma's TUMMY... I was ... BORN ... in my momma's TUMMY..." over and over. So, I guess he didn't understand human procreation or the song Born in the USA.
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James FP |
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Birds are those little things with feathers that fly around and land in trees. Bees are those little flying things you find in clover fields.
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Flying Omelette |
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Thanks, Peter, I knew you'd have all the answers.
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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I think it could have been one of my first days in school, back in kindergarten, when I heard the joke with the punchline, "Mommy, mommy, turn on your headlights! Daddy's snake is getting into your grass!" How well did kids understand that joke? I don't remember. Probably not very well. I think by third grade I knew babies grew in a uterus, not a stomach.
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