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ErniePants |
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The Omni-Wonder
of the Universe has spoken
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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Another thing about anime is that it's very much a teenager thing.
I think a reason for that is that when a person is a teenager is around the time they try to figure out their own identity. And to make things really binary, you're either like other people, in which case you probably don't need to do much soul searching to figure out your identity, or you're not like other people. And if you're not like other people, that means that you can't like things other people like, so you have to find something new (at least to you). And anime had a built-in "exotic" factor. I'm not sure what that'll be like in a generation, since Americans are now getting exposed to anime earlier. FO was telling me today how she hates Azumanga Daioh and would instantly reject any SAB submissions that involve it. She said that almost every picture she's seen on the internet from it show some characters doing something goofy, and then the same two characters looking at them stone-faced. |
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da dick |
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by your argument, crawl... all yellow people who like anime could well be strict conformist-type adults which can't dig "exotic" western fare
like south park or futurama. i'm not sure i can twist statistical results to proof that.
as for Azumanga Daioh. it is a chick flick or a chick flick made for male perverts depending on who you ask. i like to categorise shit like that with "easy listening" music and babytalk. i don't see how it's any worse than "norby" or whatever you call that stop-animation gnome thing. |
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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No, not at all. I don't have an a priori argument. People who like anime a lot that I've met tend to be
teenagers, or close to it. That's just a fact.
I doubt American culture seems as exotic to Asians as Asian culture seems to Americans, anyway. Actually, though, now that I've typed this, I have read some blogs from some Americans living in Japan who have described Japanese male teens doing their best to act like gangster rappers. |
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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Another thing that makes anime a teenager thing is that it can have things that could not be in a cartoon for little kids, like extreme violence or swearing.�
So, that makes teenagers think it's "adult" and not "kiddie".� But it's not really mature enough to be adult.�
Take this for example. It's like, kids can't have violence or swearing, so when you finally get the chance to get some, you go completely overboard.� A lot of times when kids get to do "adult" things for the first time, they overindulge.� So, you get things like binge drinking in college. |
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Akhiloth |
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Don't tell me that's not targeted to adults.
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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...he says just after I said it was for teens.
Adults might care that, say, the acting is horrible. Teens just want the violence and swearing. Kind of like with horror movies. Except that when I think back to the time that I heard the most people talk enthusiastically about the Nightmare on Elm Street or Friday the 13th movies, I wasn't a teen; I was in grade school.
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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...but thanks for affirming that teenagers judge the maturity of a show in the most superficial way.
Here's a scene with swearing that's intended for adults. |
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TaroSH |
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It's kind of like what Yahtzee says somewhere in his Manhunt review: Talking about beating a guy with a board with nails in it into a blood mess when you're a kid is a great way to make friends,
but talking about that stuff when you're an adult is a great way to lose them.
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James FP |
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I remember people at the Game Pond and other old ezboards arguing that Dragon Ball Z was meant for adults. Probably because of the violence, but even as
violent as it is, it's still very cartoony. Frieza gets cut in half, and then floats around a few minutes later. People get blown up, but go to a silly
upsidedown world with a goofy fat beetle-man and bumbling demons. It always struck me as something aimed so obviously at prepubescent males.
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James FP |
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I remember people at the Game Pond and other old ezboards arguing that Dragon Ball Z was meant for adults. Probably because of the violence, but even as
violent as it is, it's still very cartoony. Frieza gets cut in half, and then floats around a few minutes later. People get blown up, but go to a silly
upsidedown world with a goofy fat beetle-man and bumbling demons. It always struck me as something aimed so obviously at prepubescent males.
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da dick |
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it was. in j-land, they categorise manga/anime according to their targeted demographics. mainly into "shonen/boy" and "shoujo/girl"
sections.
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MrGorilla |
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One thing that irritates me about anime is that to quote one guy, all the girls "look like hydro-cephalic pie-eyed barbie dolls" and all the males
look waifish androgynous freaks with concave chests that look like they would break in half if I brushed against them. I understand that not all anime
characters are like this but a very large number are. I like some anime but I don't slaver over every new thing that comes out.
(by the way, 'hyrdo-cephalic' means "big-headed") |
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Magnus CROWE |
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I don't have that much experience with it, really. I've seen some that I liked (Cowboy Bebop), but a lot of what they show on US television is either
for kids or censored to the point of not making much sense.
Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great. -
Mark Twain
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da dick |
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androgynous characters are very common in chick-flick-ish manga.
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greybob |
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I used to be a stupid anime fan, the kind of stupid teenager who thinks anime is somehow superior to American animation.
I'd definetly say alot of anime is aimed at teens. Hell, I love One Piece and it's basically a children's cartoon! The only good anime aimed at adults I've seen, off the top of my hat, are Monster and Maison Ikkaku. Make of that what you will. I wouldn't say all anime/manga artists have identical styles. Akira Toriyama, although a lot of his human characters look same-y, has a recognizable style, and his monster designs are interesting. Tite Kubo, author of Bleach, can't write worth shit but he can draw pretty well. I'd say he has a unique, if still strictly anime-based, style. Alot of it does look the same, and I think it mostly has to do with the fact that several animators will work on one show, and too many hands spoil the broth. Individual styles are more appearent in manga form, where it's just one artist (although often the artist will have a few assitants who fill in shading and backgrounds..) Even then, differences in styles are usually subtle. But, don't you think Japanese people think the same of some western animation? The most unique anime artist, I can honestly say, is Yoshitaka Amano. He started out designing "meh" character designs for, I think, the Vampire Hunter D series. After a while, he took a break to travel abroad. He studied classical art in Europe, and the Modern movement in America. When he got back to Japan, he combined these styles, including the anime, as well as traditional Japanese folk art. What he developed is a very unique style, to say the least. You all probably know him best as the guy who did concept art and character designs for the early Final Fantasy games. One thing that bugs me about anime now, is the fact that the majority of it is based off of manga. Popular manga, obviously, and that means that they make anime just to make money. It's a commericial product. And, if it's based on preexisting source material, it's not even an original creative expression! How then, can it be high art? If you call Dragon Ball Z or Sailor Moon high art, you might as well be calling shovel-ware video games "art," too. Don't get me wrong, even something based on another work can be unique, and a work of art in its own right. For example, Stanley Kubrick's films A Clockwork Orange, 2001: A Space Odysee, and the Shining are all based on novels, but are considered classics and deviate quite boldly from their sources. Not once have I seen an anime that does this.
I live on the internet.
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TanookiBlues.codiekitty |
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Crawl and 1OOO wrote: Well, to be honest, this digs a little deep in explaining why I got into anime as a confused teenager. In Australia, maybe moreso than America to a large degree, there was much less exposure to anime through the mainstream media... As a kid, I remember my first introduction to anime as being when my (much) older brothers would bring home "manga videos" (what we called them then, heh). I'd watch them with this huge expression of shock 'n awe plastered all over my cute lil pre-teen face. These were cartoons... but full of intense violence! And SEX! Holy crap! Yer world's turnin' upside down, kid! A big part of loving anime really was it's foreignness... I mean, most other kids hadn't even heard of this stuff. And besides, it was full of blood and nudity. Can't go wrong with that, especially when you're just turning 13. This to me made me think anime was AWESOME. Anime was cartoons, right, but for ADULTS. Then I got exposed to stuff like Sailor Moon and I realised I couldn't embrace the genre as a whole without maybe surrendering part of my budding masculinity. As I grew up even more I realised that most anime wasn't as amazing as I'd first thought. There is some great stuff out there (I really like the Studio Ghibli movies, for instance... cliche, maybe, but they ARE great) and some real rubbish. Sickening rubbish, too. The whole 'weeaboo' western fan thing (which really seems to be much more prevalent in North America than elsewhere) to me is just a little freaky, and I honestly think that psych students could get a lot out of studying this subculture. Weeaboos bring to my mind thoughts of displacement and feelings
of being lost- it seems to me like they don't identify with their native culture, so they're idealising something foreign ('exotic', maybe) and
adopting that in a half-assed way to compensate. It's very interesting.
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da dick |
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well. anime or jap-style animation isn't exactly foreign to me. well, whities who can't tell the difference between a jap and a chink would think so.
but i'm suppose to be generic "asian" theseadays. so i guess i practise tantric yoga, zen-buddhism and whatever a few hundred different cultures
do for fun.
maybe i didn't watch enough yankee yanime in the 80s , but i still believe jap animation was technically superior in the 80s and 90s. according to some documentary, some so-called pundit believed they were way ahead of disney. i'm sure i'm not white enough to be a weeaboo. am i? was yanime not foreign enough to me compared to anime? is it because i speak english more than chinese, and most anime(when i was young) was translated to chinkie around here. theseadays cartoons are more easily found in the more common languages. maybe my cousin can answer this question of exotic appeal better than me. since he was exposed to manga/anime translated to both chink and white-ish. you wanna question the exotic appeal of obscure comics/animation from s'pore? that would really confuse me since they all have different influences. i guess the most popular kung fu comic around here was a fusion of hongkie chinese and manga style. the most pop comical comic was a fusion of manga and sunday paper comic strips. i can't say much for animation aound here. |
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Crawl and 1OOO |
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Disney made lower budget stuff in the '80's. But I doubt just about any studio ever topped Disney in terms of smoothness of animation when Disney was
at its apex. (Say, when Disney was still alive -- Bambi and Dumbo and all that)
Read John K's blog -- the people at Warner Bros. were putting out 5 times as much film footage as the people at Disney. Meanwhile, I don't know if I've EVER seen an anime movie that was completely "fully animated". Anime uses a lot of "limited animation" tricks -- stationary faces with mouths that move being a big one. Most anime movies I've seen have a scene or two that's fully animated (like the tentacles in Princess Mononoke), but not the whole movie. Limited animation -- that article is kind of bad. It's not until the second paragraph that they say what limited animation is. The first paragraph is all subjective and speculation and kind of meaningless. The process of limited animation mainly aims at reducing the overall number of drawings.Honestly, I doubt very much if anime even topped what Disney was putting out in the '80's -- even on TV. Even Rescue Rangers was fairly well animated. And if you're not releasing to a world-wide audience, like Disney was / is, you're not gonna have the budget to do full animation. And back in the day, a lot of animation was done in the United States (not that American animators are racially better, but there was more communication between all levels of the team when they're all in one building and speak the same language, and farming animation out to Asia now on American cartoons is done purely to save on the budget) |
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LutherLansfeld |
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Another thing about anime is that it's very much a teenager thing. [By Crawl]Everything is for teenagers nowadays, but yeah. |
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