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Aridian Knight

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Deuce Koma

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Edward Malus

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Flying Omelette

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(02/25/08 9:57 PM)

Frickin' Fred Durst on Stilts

Are you happy now?

Think of what you're saying,
You can get it wrong
And still you think that it's all right.
Think of what I'm saying,
We can work it out
And get it straight or say good night.

There is a house in New Orleans
They call the Rising Sun
And it's been the ruin of many a poor boy
And God, I know I'm one

bjstrykes

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(02/26/08 1:43 PM)

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RHayabusa wrote:
I wasn't really crazy about your review due to the formulaic, GameFAQsian, color-by-category format. t me go ahead and warn you now; If you're not a fan of elitism, pretentiousness and condescension, you may want to leave this forum now.

Okay. You complain about GameFAQs in your first sentence and then elitism in your second sentence. You can either have certain standards and expectations for minimum intelligence level and behavior, or you can be an anything goes free-for-all like GameFAQs. Make your choice, but you can't have it both ways.

Aside from all the cute little injokes being passed back and forth between senior members, it's all these people are capable of.

A cliche argument deserves no less than a cliche reply. One reason I've diminished my own involvement in internet message boards is because I don't feel I should be expected to keep making detailed posts explaining the same opinions and reasons I have for them over and over again, especially when it's something so basic as why I don't consider older games to not be fun anymore. This is something that's only really been an issue in the past 5-6 years or so. Early internet had more people from all walks of life and opinions, but it seems like almost everyone who shows up here lately immediately comes in with the same exact attitude. I've been involved in this community, since, I think...1995, (wow, has it really been that long, I am so old =< ), and up until sometime around 2001 I was the head administrator (yes, I'm the Game Pond's Big Kahuna, boo, hiss. I wasn't a very good admin, so I probably deserve it). Unfortunately, a battle with cancer forced me to step down around that time and FO took the reigns after (what I understand) was a huge ugly battle between the GP's Total Nonsense Forum and the General Discussion Forum. Didn't even realize there was animosity between those forums because I never actually visited GD that much. It was always AIM chat and stuff that didn't interest me. Anyway, in my long run observing things here and there one thing I have noticed (and again it's become more frequent lately, not something I saw pre-2001) is that it doesn't even really seem to make a difference if people here make humorous replies or well-thought-out ones: The results are always the exact same. The original posters just get angrier and angrier no matter which it is.

There was someone whose name was something like "Morbius-something", don't quite remember, but he was making random replies to things FO had said in earlier posts and arguing with her, and when she defended her arguments, he'd get angry and act like she was picking on him. He even said something like how she shouldn't disagree with IGN because they're professionals and she's not. The point is, FO's responses were all logical and reasonable and yet "morbius" just kept getting angrier until he finally left. My question is, was it worth FO's time and effort to even make all those responses? If she had just replied as Jack Sheen and said, "YOU ARE SUSPENDED!" (in Comic Sans font no less) the results would've been the same. In fact, I get the feeling your response to this, if any at all, will be the exact same, too, but it's okay. Somehow, a battle with a life-threatening illness suddenly makes people on message boards telling me I shove carrots up my ass seem a little less important.

There's one person (you know who you are) who isn't going to tell me that he's not writing up that letter to me right at now as he's reading this.

I suppose I'm that "one person", but I don't need to write you a letter because you already know how I feel. It's not that I think everyone who submits stuff is dumb, I think that's a strawman unless other people are saying that, but that's not true of me. It's just that things like game music are nice (but cameos are boring, I wouldn't read through that shit if you paid me), but what's REALLY special about your site is your writing. That's why people come here because it's YOUR site and they want to see YOUR writing. There's something special about you that no one else has, and anyone can document game cameos or post game music mp3s, but NO ONE can write like you can. THAT'S what people mean when they say they want you to stop taking reader submissions and just work on your own stuff. They aren't saying the readers are dumb it's just that they want to see your unique point of view. If those readers want an outlet for their POV, they can make their own site.

bjstrykes

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(02/26/08 1:54 PM)

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Now all they have to do to complete their understanding is imagine that instead of the occasional nutjob like you on the forums, if the whole entire forum was filled with them. And then imagine them having administrative power over you and you've pretty much got it. Oh, and also imagine them following you wherever you go on the internet and acting like they own you.

You forgot the part where they send you mysterious emails demanding you apologize for something, but don't say what it is, or yelling at you to "Take your boad off now or suffer", (yes, "boad"), whatever that means, or tell you that you "gots to grow up" for some unexplained reason.

Crawl and 1OOO

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(02/26/08 1:58 PM)

The Fuzzy Physicist
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RHayabusa wrote:
I wasn't really crazy about your review due to the formulaic, GameFAQsian, color-by-category format. t me go ahead and warn you now; If you're not a fan of elitism, pretentiousness and condescension, you may want to leave this forum now.
Okay. You complain about GameFAQs in your first sentence and then elitism in your second sentence. You can either have certain standards and expectations for minimum intelligence level and behavior, or you can be an anything goes free-for-all like GameFAQs. Make your choice, but you can't have it both ways.

Actually, it's worse than this. He is completely misusing the word "elitism" (not to mention "pretentious", etc.)

You would be elitist if you appealed to some elite authority. People who quote, say, IGN in game arguments (such as when Mobius Climber did that) are elitist.

People who think that amatures can write reviews better than, have a better understanding of games than, more experience with games than, or be more truthful than the "professionals" are not elitists. That's a democratic opinion.

Flying Omelette

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(02/26/08 2:16 PM)

Frickin' Fred Durst on Stilts

bjstrykes wrote:

A cliche argument deserves no less than a cliche reply. One reason I've diminished my own involvement in internet message boards is because I don't feel I should be expected to keep making detailed posts explaining the same opinions and reasons I have for them over and over again, especially when it's something so basic as why I don't consider older games to not be fun anymore. This is something that's only really been an issue in the past 5-6 years or so. Early internet had more people from all walks of life and opinions, but it seems like almost everyone who shows up here lately immediately comes in with the same exact attitude.

It's the Azure Dreams Effect. Everyone from that era except you and me is gone now. Every few years a new wave of people come in as older ones leave and they start over again at Level 0. 1995-Land. Honestly, could not have finished this sketch at a more appropriate time (me and my not-so-subtle subtexts and symbolism).

I think that's a strawman unless other people are saying that, but that's not true of me. It's just that things like game music are nice (but cameos are boring, I wouldn't read through that shit if you paid me), but what's REALLY special about your site is your writing. That's why people come here because it's YOUR site and they want to see YOUR writing. There's something special about you that no one else has, and anyone can document game cameos or post game music mp3s, but NO ONE can write like you can. THAT'S what people mean when they say they want you to stop taking reader submissions and just work on your own stuff. They aren't saying the readers are dumb it's just that they want to see your unique point of view. If those readers want an outlet for their POV, they can make their own site.

Cameos had a number of problems, so I won't go into that one again, but as for the music - again, you're assuming a cause and effect here. I was only doing music because I'm not really interested in writing reviews right now. I appreciate your sentiment, but eventually you're going to have to admit that about 75% of the writing on my site is garbage and while I have come a long way, I still have a ways to go. When people complain about the submissions, no, they don't usually come right out and say everyone is stupid, but it seems like it's implied. And it bothers me when someone who is playing by the rules and also has demonstrated knowledge of the site is lumped in the same category with the PW's.

You can either have certain standards and expectations for minimum intelligence level and behavior, or you can be an anything goes free-for-all like GameFAQs.

This is why you people should stop pressuring me to "Duh, make a webcomic!" because I feel the RAU Gallery is a perfect intelligence test. Some people are going to read and it and say, "I don't get it. Where's the facial expressions?" others are going to read it and WILL get it. One of the people whose submissions I was screening and approving passed that test. *smack!* Pay attention!

Unfortunately, a battle with cancer forced me to step down around that time and FO took the reigns after (what I understand) was a huge ugly battle between the GP's Total Nonsense Forum and the General Discussion Forum

I'm sorry, Beej. I seem to have completely forgotten about that. I hope you're doing well and I really miss seeing you around. You were a better admin than you think. Anyone would go crazy trying to keep control over that place. You're this forum's Nucleo McRaven.

Think of what you're saying,
You can get it wrong
And still you think that it's all right.
Think of what I'm saying,
We can work it out
And get it straight or say good night.

There is a house in New Orleans
They call the Rising Sun
And it's been the ruin of many a poor boy
And God, I know I'm one

bjstrykes

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(02/26/08 2:19 PM)

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Crawl and 1OOO wrote:

RHayabusa wrote:
I wasn't really crazy about your review due to the formulaic, GameFAQsian, color-by-category format. t me go ahead and warn you now; If you're not a fan of elitism, pretentiousness and condescension, you may want to leave this forum now.
Okay. You complain about GameFAQs in your first sentence and then elitism in your second sentence. You can either have certain standards and expectations for minimum intelligence level and behavior, or you can be an anything goes free-for-all like GameFAQs. Make your choice, but you can't have it both ways.

Actually, it's worse than this. He is completely misusing the word "elitism" (not to mention "pretentious", etc.)

You would be elitist if you appealed to some elite authority. People who quote, say, IGN in game arguments (such as when Mobius Climber did that) are elitist.

People who think that amatures can write reviews better than, have a better understanding of games than, more experience with games than, or be more truthful than the "professionals" are not elitists. That's a democratic opinion.

Yeah, that's why I think there's such a backlash against that because it's viewed as a means of exercising authority (think it was Doveblob who said something like that awhile back), which I learned VERY quickly is something this community doesn't take too kindly to and with good reason.

bjstrykes

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(02/26/08 2:29 PM)

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I appreciate your sentiment, but eventually you're going to have to admit that about 75% of the writing on my site is garbage and while I have come a long way, I still have a ways to go.

Even when your writing wasn't up-to-par, it was still always enjoyable. I'm not just blidnly praising everything, I know we've had our arguments in the past. I thought your Life Force review was good, but repeated itself too much because you were desperately trying to fill out every category, and I didn't like your Alundra 2 review because you tried too hard to "wow" me with the game instead of just telling me what it was like.

But generally speaking, you're good. The D review is great. The Kid Niki review is one of my favorites. The Arcade Classics review as a great trip down memory lane and it was a delicate balance of paying respects to the games while admitting they aren't as entertaining to you anymore. Some of the other recent reviews were good, too, though I'm having difficulty remember what they were now without looking, maybe Mystical Ninja and some Alex Kidd game? The Oddities and RAU are always entertaining, too. I'm just saying that I think people would like to see more of that from you. It's what made your site popular in the first place.

This is why you people should stop pressuring me to "Duh, make a webcomic!"

When have I done that? I think it's great the way it is.

I'm sorry, Beej. I seem to have completely forgotten about that. I hope you're doing well and I really miss seeing you around. You were a better admin than you think. Anyone would go crazy trying to keep control over that place.

Thanks, but it's okay. You don't have to be sorry. I'M sorry that I haven't been around as much as I was in the past.

You're this forum's Nucleo McRaven.

Well, we both have the long dark hair (or I used to), but he's a 4-foot-tall self-proclaimed "towering chunk of beefcake" and I'm a 6-foot-tall self-proclaimed "towering chunk of ugly". I've also never eaten a beanbag chair...well, okay, never a WHOLE beanbag chair, anyway...

TaroSH

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(02/26/08 5:41 PM)

I Ain't Afraid of No Ghost

...and throwing words like "pretentious" around without really knowing what they mean or how to use them, and saying things like "out of the bull pin" or "undermining toward".

Last Edited By: TaroSH 02/26/08 5:44 PM. Edited 1 times.

bjstrykes

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(02/26/08 5:58 PM)

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Son of RHayabusa wrote:
Yeah.. you guys talk way too much. I'm not reading any of this. Find a way to express your ideas in fewer ~~paragraphs~~ words. You guys might think you're pithy because all of your responses are only the size of grade-school essays, but true tact in English is being more concise.

Well, here you go: You're too young and undereducated to understand the conversations here. Maybe when you're older you will, but not until you're willing to listen and learn. I remember when I was your age, I thought I knew everything, too. But that's the difference between being a gradeschool student and being an adult. You learn to take the good with the bad.

Flying Omelette

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(02/26/08 6:04 PM)

Frickin' Fred Durst on Stilts

Yeah.. you guys talk way too much. I'm not reading any of this. Find a way to express your ideas in fewer ~~paragraphs~~ words. You guys might think you're pithy because all of your responses are only the size of grade-school essays, but true tact in English is being more concise.

It's no use arguing with someone who's mind is stuck in 1995. And you Game Pond GD people will never have power over us again. You can tell us what to do, but that doesn't mean we will. Live with it.

I'd say using a bunch of injokes that are in reference to a forum several members of this board used to frequent is pretty pretentious.

It sure does bother you, doesn't it? I guess if you haven't gotten over losing that battle in 7 years, you never will. Sad.

Think of what you're saying,
You can get it wrong
And still you think that it's all right.
Think of what I'm saying,
We can work it out
And get it straight or say good night.

There is a house in New Orleans
They call the Rising Sun
And it's been the ruin of many a poor boy
And God, I know I'm one

Kairobi King

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(02/26/08 6:12 PM)

Eldean Rebel

Yeah.. you guys talk way too much. I'm not reading any of this. Find a way to express your ideas in fewer ~~paragraphs~~ words. You guys might think you're pithy because all of your responses are only the size of grade-school essays, but true tact in English is being more concise.

That's just horrible. BJ made an honest and sincere attempt to approach your better sensibilities and treated you with far more respect then your post deserve, and that's how you treat him. It's a shame someone like him has cancer and not assholes like you. I hope you get it in the worst possible spot and die long, slowly, and painfully.

~ Kairobi King ~

Flying Omelette

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(02/26/08 6:53 PM)

Frickin' Fred Durst on Stilts

Kai, he tried to appeal to them 7 years ago. If they haven't let it go by now, what makes you think trying again will work?

NOW does everyone see my point? NOW do you understand why it bothers me when good people are punished because of people like this?

It's the same thing over and over and over again, every year, and it's always the same people. C'mon, why else would anyone be so bothered by Game Pond jokes as to make three separate posts, flood the board three times, and register somewhere between 10-15 accounts just to complain about it, unless they're the ones being joked about? And they wonder why we continue to make jokes about them. If they wouldn't say anything, no one would even know who we're talking about, but once again, they can't let it go.

I think can safely lift the ban on the Game Music section, but I'm still going to keep it on hiatus for awhile since I'm not really in the mood right now to be updating it. I've got Equinox Shrine and RAU Gallery work to do.

On, and PS. RHayabusa has won the first Port Saiid Don Lane Award of Stupidity:

�

"James Randi just proves how irrational people are when you subject their beliefs to skepticism through logic and reasoning. I love how he kept his cool the entire time."

Think of what you're saying,
You can get it wrong
And still you think that it's all right.
Think of what I'm saying,
We can work it out
And get it straight or say good night.

There is a house in New Orleans
They call the Rising Sun
And it's been the ruin of many a poor boy
And God, I know I'm one

Flying Omelette

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(02/26/08 7:02 PM)

Frickin' Fred Durst on Stilts

Even when your writing wasn't up-to-par, it was still always enjoyable. I'm not just blidnly praising everything, I know we've had our arguments in the past. I thought your Life Force review was good, but repeated itself too much because you were desperately trying to fill out every category, and I didn't like your Alundra 2 review because you tried too hard to "wow" me with the game instead of just telling me what it was like.

Thank goodness I dropped the category format. And, well, I don't like my Alundra 2 review, either, but I still think it tells you what the game is like sure enough...But I can't even read my older shit without getting knots in my stomach. John Solomon said that true artists are never satisfied with their work. I'm not an artist, but I certainly think I have their personality type.

But generally speaking, you're good. The D review is great. The Kid Niki review is one of my favorites. The Arcade Classics review as a great trip down memory lane and it was a delicate balance of paying respects to the games while admitting they aren't as entertaining to you anymore. Some of the other recent reviews were good, too, though I'm having difficulty remember what they were now without looking, maybe Mystical Ninja and some Alex Kidd game? The Oddities and RAU are always entertaining, too. I'm just saying that I think people would like to see more of that from you. It's what made your site popular in the first place.

Thanks, buddy. Most of the areas you mentioned are ones I'd agree with you are good.

When have I done that? I think it's great the way it is.

Well, you kind of implied it once. Maybe you don't remember.

Thanks, but it's okay. You don't have to be sorry. I'M sorry that I haven't been around as much as I was in the past.

Don't worry about it. Seeing you once in awhile is nice, but I know you have a full schedule.

Think of what you're saying,
You can get it wrong
And still you think that it's all right.
Think of what I'm saying,
We can work it out
And get it straight or say good night.

There is a house in New Orleans
They call the Rising Sun
And it's been the ruin of many a poor boy
And God, I know I'm one

Flying Omelette

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(02/27/08 7:45 AM)

Frickin' Fred Durst on Stilts

Someone found my site last night by searching "nes scene is dead". I can't figure out how that led to my site as nothing turns up on Google (maybe they used a different search engine), but interestingly enough, I found this:

http://smbfan.silius.net/

I don't know who this person was but he apparently knew RoyalRanger. I think I'll try to gather more "testimonials" from people who aren't related to this community as ammunition to use against them when they come here because one of their calling card cliches is to act like we're the only ones they do this to and they're somehow a "victim" of us.

Think of what you're saying,
You can get it wrong
And still you think that it's all right.
Think of what I'm saying,
We can work it out
And get it straight or say good night.

There is a house in New Orleans
They call the Rising Sun
And it's been the ruin of many a poor boy
And God, I know I'm one

DEATHAMSTER

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(02/27/08 8:48 AM)

O Solo Mio

More Game Pond Jokes!!!

How many Game Ponders does it take to screw in a light bulb?
One. He holds onto the bulb and waits for the whole world to revolve around him.

A man is walking through the desert when he sees Dark Lord, Chuck the Plant, and a Game Ponder. Dark Lord is carrying a fan, Chuck the Plant is carrying a bottle of water, and the Game Ponder is carrying a car door. The man asks Dark Lord why he's carrying a fan. Dark Lord says, "When I get hot, I use it to cool myself off". The man asks Chuck the Plant why he's carrying a bottle of water and Chuck says, "When it gets too hot, I drink some water to cool off". Finally, the man turns to the Game Ponder and asks why he's carrying a car door. The Game Ponder replies, "When it gets too hot, I roll down the window."

Yo Game Ponder so fat, when he runs he makes the cd player skip at the radio station!

bjstrykes

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(02/27/08 1:46 PM)

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It's okay, Kai. No need to turn this into Funky Winkerbean. I was expecting a hostile response anyway, you can't say I didn't call that.

But it pretty much proved my point that it really doesn't matter if the replies are goofy or well-thought-out. The results are the same either way.

And, DH...thanks for reminding me why I love you guys so much. Although, it is kind of a shame because there was a time when the GP was a great board, but it was just one forum that drug it all down.

James FP

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(02/27/08 2:22 PM)

Schmendrick's Nose
Moderator

Remember that time I called out a user going by the name "The Matrices" because he pretended to be new to the board, but somehow knew that Oxnard Hamster was RandXian and there was no way to have known that unless he'd been here before and following things pretty closely?

The great thing about this is that I only really noticed one in-joke before Mr. Oshkosh got a pin in his panties about it, and it's not even really a Game Pond thing and by now it's hardly an in-joke. That's why it's funny that he pretends he's not "who we think he is", yet he not only is aware that it's an in-joke (seriously, how would you know unless you've been following everything here?), but he also knows who the "senior members" are. *BUZZ!* Sorry. Try harder next time.

Aside from all the cute little injokes being passed back and forth between senior members, it's all these people are capable of.

He's also wrong about this, too. I'm also capable of launching myself from a cannon at just a precise enough angle to land right into Jeff Lynne's afternoon lunch bowl, but I've gotta get going because I've only got 7 MORE MINUTES TO MAKE IT HAPPEN!!

Get out of my cheese, get into my corn!

Flying Omelette

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(02/27/08 2:29 PM)

Frickin' Fred Durst on Stilts

He probably thinks Chuck Norris Jokes and Pirates vs. Ninjas are the pinnacle of internet humor.

WE. ARE. THE. GAMERBORG. WE. WILL. ASSIMILATE. YOU. ORIGINALITY. WILL. BE. ANNIHILATED. NOW. EXCUSE. ME. WHILST. I. GO. AND. GET. SOME. ICE. CREAMS.

And, DH...thanks for reminding me why I love you guys so much. Although, it is kind of a shame because there was a time when the GP was a great board, but it was just one forum that drug it all down.

That was the point of Jacknifed.

Think of what you're saying,
You can get it wrong
And still you think that it's all right.
Think of what I'm saying,
We can work it out
And get it straight or say good night.

There is a house in New Orleans
They call the Rising Sun
And it's been the ruin of many a poor boy
And God, I know I'm one

Last Edited By: Flying Omelette 02/27/08 2:31 PM. Edited 1 times.

Off Topic Shnoo

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(02/27/08 5:55 PM)

I look like an egg.

Flying Omelette

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