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Amagons brother	Let me be a Muppet Baby	Lead	[-]
Posts: 336 (05/21/07 9:50 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None I wish that there were more modern games that left something to my imagination. I'm starting to think that one of the biggest problems I have getting into games is because they've become incredibly literal and realistic, and as games strive for realism, more is played out on camera. I know that open world games are supposed to be the best thing ever, but I don't really wanna get a job in a game or watch what I eat. I don't want to drive for fifteen minutes to get to the part where I get to play. I don't play games to emulate life, and I don't need excessive realism in playing out every minute detail of pushing a block... I'd prefer a focus on the more exciting parts of heroism, such as exploration and action as opposed to the mundane down time of a hero/anti-hero's life.
Amagons brother	Re: Let me be a Muppet Baby	#1	[-]
Posts: 336 (05/21/07 9:51 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I should say that I don't mind some of those games existing. I just would like to see other options better represented.
MaskedSheik	Re: Let me be a Muppet Baby	#2	[-]
Posts: 423 (05/29/07 12:22 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	My biggest complaint is that added "realistic" fluff slows games far too much, ruining whatever exhiliaration the game had to begin with. I've said before that Pilotwings avoids laying on the tutorials and introductory screens and gets to the action pretty quickly. The result is a game that moves simply and briskly, each level flowing into the next. By contrast, most games today cushion the action with tutorials, cut-scenes, convoluted animations (like pushing a block, as you said), a portal that takes minutes to navigate, and long stretches of field with no real gameplay. Sure, these are the things that comprise the real world, but I'm not sitting in front of a game console to watch a realistic block-pushing animation.
Magical Yard Gnome	Re: Let me be a Muppet Baby	#3	[-]
Posts: 2253 (05/29/07 4:17 PM) Heavy Metal Chainsaw Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	You might like Etrian Odyssey. It's deliberately old-fashioned. Caution children! Happy ice cream dancing for you!
Amagons brother	Re: Let me be a Muppet Baby	#4	[-]
Posts: 336 (05/29/07 11:24 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I looked into it, but I was never a mapper, really. My brother will probably eat it up, though. Main thing for me is I end up feeling like games waste too much of my time with tedious animation and pointless filler. It's the old Shadow of the Colossus riding around for 10 minutes to have a three minute fight. Were there something to make that trek interesting or treacherous, okay, we're onto something... but as is, I don't have much reason to explore that world. I don't wanna watch Link pushing blocks for severeal minutes in real time just like I didn't want to slog through days of work operating a forklift in Shenmue just so I could get into a fight at lunch time. I'm just wanting relevance in the time I spend playing a game... if the filler really adds something to the game in terms of mood, it can be enjoyable. If it doesn't, though, it's just tedious. I'd say that the good kind of filler would be in a game such as Eternal Darkness, in which wandering throughout the mansion in between finding pages added both continuity and atmosphere with falling sanity levels and strange occurrences to keep it interesting, as well as artifacts in the house gaining new relevance with the happenings within the chapters preceding each wandering phase.
Captain Ladd Spencer	Re: Let me be a Muppet Baby	#5	[-]
Posts: 1531 (05/29/07 11:36 PM) Behold the many uses of my amazing BIONIC ARM! Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* It's the old Shadow of the Colossus riding around for 10 minutes to have a three minute fight. Well, that's if you already know how to beat a colossus. If you're fighting one for the first time, it's riding around for ten minutes, then running in circles for half an hour. My guess is the strategy for trying to make the colossi even remotely puzzle-like was too piss you off with stupid fluff like running through an extremely boring, bloomy, and hazy world where polygons and textures frequently aren't loaded properly and the movement of them fixing themselves are the only things that catch your eye, or climbing a boss by simply holding the R1 and Up and occasionally getting stopped when the colossus thrashes around, or taking five times as long as it should to stab the boss to death because it thrashes around after you stab it and you have to keep going back to your safe spot to recharge the grip meter, or having to flip a giant salamander over ten times to kill it, or navigating a bunch of linear tunnels and some barricades for no damn reason so that your brain shuts off and you forget that you can hold up the sword to see where you can stab or shoot the bosses (or in the case of the final boss, it takes place at a rainstorm at night, and since earlier in the game the sword wouldn't shoot a ray of light if there was a lite fog you don't think you can use the sword when in fact you can).
MaskedSheik	Re: Let me be a Muppet Baby	#6	[-]
Posts: 423 (05/30/07 10:24 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* I'm just wanting relevance in the time I spend playing a game... if the filler really adds something to the game in terms of mood, it can be enjoyable. If it doesn't, though, it's just tedious. I'd say that the good kind of filler would be in a game such as Eternal Darkness, in which wandering throughout the mansion in between finding pages added both continuity and atmosphere with falling sanity levels and strange occurrences to keep it interesting, as well as artifacts in the house gaining new relevance with the happenings within the chapters preceding each wandering phase. Yes, if games are going to aspire to realism, at least they should make it cinematic. It seems especially wasteful to me that designers spend so much of their time making sure of the total realism of the physics of broken bricks in a Sonic game, when they could be spending the same aesthetic effort developing a mood, or suggestions of story (I believe Crawl used that expression to describe Super Metroid).
Crawl and 1OOO		#7	[-]
Posts: 11009 (06/03/07 4:57 PM) The Fuzzy Physicist Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I've been thinking about the argument of whether things in art in general should be explicit or left to the imagination. In wider circles, it seems taken for granted that things in games should be explicit. But this is not the way it is in other art forms. The most blatant is literature. For that art form, literally every bit of sensory information is left to your imagination. And it doesn't suffer for that at all. In a lot of ways, it's a good thing. -- Mostly things like novels or poems written down on paper. I guess that might seem "duh, duh", but nowadays, with spoken word or books on tape adding auditory information, or "graphic novels" adding visual information, the distinction can be helpful. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
Amagons brother		#8	[-]
Posts: 336 (06/04/07 1:37 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I really do feel like using my imagination to fill in some of the gaps as a player is a key factor in my becoming engrossed in a game or not. Having part of the game experience being my own ideas is both a reason to more fully embrace an imaginary world and a symptom of high-quality unknowns that sparked my imagination to begin with. In keeping with Crawl's reference to literature, my vision of the unwritten in a way almost gives me extra room to find ways to enjoy a game whose more objective merits are average at best.

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