Stupid ebay policy

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feeds@yuku.com (Captain Ladd Spencer) — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:02:53 GMT

Sounds like most of the fuss is the change in eBay fees, not the feedback.

Which is understandable, I guess.

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feeds@yuku.com (CLOUDBOND007) — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:19:14 GMT

http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/07/smbusiness/ebay_boycott.fsb/index.htm?postversion=2008021009

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feeds@yuku.com (abaxa) — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 12:47:55 GMT

Thank you for the cite Cloud, now things make alot more sense to me. I don't think this change will really help much. The manipulation that has been going on has always been behind the curtain. eBay should make their messenger service mandatory and require all business-related communications to pass through it. Logs should be easily available for anyone to request, but with sensitive private information withheld from everyone except law enforcement (ex. address and phone number). It...

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feeds@yuku.com (CLOUDBOND007) — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:57:50 GMT

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/business/2008/02/06/janis.uk.ebay.big.changes.cnn

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feeds@yuku.com (CLOUDBOND007) — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:15:20 GMT

Ebay does have their own messenger service, but I can't remember if it's mandatory or not. It didn't used to be, but I haven't done ebay seriously in a long time now, so it could be at this point. If it is mandatory, I'm not sure what that person is worried about, unless he thinks ebay won't act on his report.

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feeds@yuku.com (Crawl and 1OOO) — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 21:41:11 GMT

Maybe what ebay should do is have a communication service, and make everyone communicate through that (rather than email). That way, there'd be an official record of any sort of extortion activity.

Of course, it's easy to make impractical suggestions...

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feeds@yuku.com (INFPGamer) — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 18:16:04 GMT

From the 3rd section on that page:

What happens when a buyer uses negative Feedback as a threat to receive better service or additional goods/services from the seller?

If a buyer uses the threat of negative Feedback to demand more than what was promised in the item description (e.g. wants overnight delivery but only paid for standard delivery) the seller should immediately report the buyer to eBay.
If there is clear evidence of extortion eBay will take action...

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feeds@yuku.com (CLOUDBOND007) — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 01:42:44 GMT

Don't know if this is true or not, but just an example of what could happen:

I listed a dozen CDs sunday night. Today, I get an email from a possible buyer telling me that my shipping charge is too high, and that if he wins, I'd best reduce it or he'd neg me for it.

Supposedly, a lot of buyers think the new rule is already in effect and have threatened to complain to ebay about receiving negative feedback because "sellers...

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feeds@yuku.com (CLOUDBOND007) — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 01:35:29 GMT

I could have sworn it was stated in there, maybe that link was only explaining why they were making changes in a general sense.

Here's a different one. Click on "What's Changing"

http://pages.ebay.com/services/forum/new.html

There are five key elements to the new Feedback system being introduced in the first half of 2008:
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Re: Stupid ebay policy

feeds@yuku.com (abaxa) — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 01:24:21 GMT

CLOUDBOND007 wrote:

Looking it over I can't see any permanent barring of neutral or negative feedback from buyers to sellers.
We were talking about sellers leaving feedback to buyers, though.

In the linked article I see no mention of that. Perhaps I have simply overlooked it. Can you provide a cite please?

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feeds@yuku.com (CLOUDBOND007) — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:10:59 GMT

Looking it over I can't see any permanent barring of neutral or negative feedback from buyers to sellers.

We were talking about sellers leaving feedback to buyers, though.

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feeds@yuku.com (Captain Ladd Spencer) — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 18:21:37 GMT

I did, but it's sitting in a pool of "FUCK U EBAY ALL U WANT IS $$$ U DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT UR CUSTOMERS!1"

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feeds@yuku.com (Flying Omelette) — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 16:26:22 GMT

I think you should seriously suggest that if no one else has yet.

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feeds@yuku.com (TaroSH) — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 15:02:08 GMT

I was thinking that an alternative would be to require the seller leave feedback first, and the buyer can't leave feedback, positive, neutral, or negative, until the seller leaves feedback first.

The sellers can't give retalitory feedback if the buyer gives them negative, because they've already left feedback about the transaction. Plus, it's more likely to be honest about the transaction.

Buyers can't scam sellers into giving them a discount because...

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feeds@yuku.com (abaxa) — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 13:56:37 GMT

I've heard this around the net but just now actually read the statement of change for eBay. Looking it over I can't see any permanent barring of neutral or negative feedback from buyers to sellers.

To promote communication, buyers will be prevented from leaving a public negative or neutral Feedback within 3 days of a listing's end for sellers with an established track record (new sellers can still pose a fraud risk);

I take that to mean...

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feeds@yuku.com (CLOUDBOND007) — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 13:40:23 GMT

Well, I'll try to keep an open mind then, but it still seems unfair that a bidder can have perfect feedback even if they're slow to pay (admittedly less common with Paypal being so popular) or complain about problems with your item that don't exist, or leave negative feedback to sellers when it isn't justified, or whatever. Maybe they could have left it so you can at least leave them neutral feedback.

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feeds@yuku.com (TaroSH) — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 11:39:45 GMT

Well, it's not like the sellers haven't already found something to abuse and exploit.

Crawl mentioned shipping, but does anybody by chance remember that topic I made about the new eBay checkout? They went back to the old one for a while, then back to the shitty new one, the one where the buyer can't calculate the shipping cost and has to wait for the seller to send them an invoice. I bought several games from somebody who had a shipping deal, where 2-4 games is $2 off...

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feeds@yuku.com (Crawl and 1OOO) — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 09:53:32 GMT

Well, my first thought after reading your post was, "Okay, this seems stupid ... but there must be a reason for it."

And after reading that letter, they explained it pretty well: Bad sellers are a bigger problem than bad buyers. And when good buyers leave bad feedback for bad sellers, the bad sellers leave retaliatory bad feedback for the buyers. Consequently, no one was leaving bad feedback for sellers for fear of that.

And there are still measures for...

Stupid ebay policy

feeds@yuku.com (CLOUDBOND007) — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 02:42:01 GMT

If you're a seller, you can no longer leave neutral or negative feedback to a bidder. If someone buys on ebay but doesn't ever sell anything, they are guaranteed a 100% feedback rating. As you'd imagine, people aren't happy about it:

Story and discussion:
http://forums.ebay.com/db2/thread.jspa?threadID=2000508682&start=0