Your Webcomic is Bad and You Should Feel Bad

Re: Your Webcomic is Bad and You Should Feel Bad

feeds@yuku.com (Forum Jackass) — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 13:22:03 GMT

Jesus Christ.

It's just like I said before. You might find someone on the internet who appears to have put some thought into their writing and opinions, and they might seem like someone who you could see eye-to-eye on, but then the internet ultimately is what it is and it turns out they're just as dumb as everyone else.

Re: Your Webcomic is Bad and You Should Feel Bad

feeds@yuku.com (Crawl and 1OOO) — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 13:16:40 GMT

I think it's mostly the people in the comments, but they seem pretty unanimous. And I do believe John Solomon has said that XKCD is a terrible comic, and that was in the middle of a discussion about how 8-bit theater was good, which he didn't comment on. I think that may be a case where his silence gives assent.

Re: Your Webcomic is Bad and You Should Feel Bad

feeds@yuku.com (Forum Jackass) — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 12:38:35 GMT

Wait, the BLOGGERS think that or just the people in the comments?

Re: Your Webcomic is Bad and You Should Feel Bad

feeds@yuku.com (Crawl and 1OOO) — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 08:04:14 GMT

Maybe it'd be more appropriate to say, "I'm beginning to wonder what it means when certain people say it". It's hard to figure out what someone, such as the YWiB bloggers, would actually consider "well-drawn" when they never give any examples.

But that was what I was getting at with the 8-bit theater examples. They actually think that comic has great artwork. That basically makes them hypocrites for complaining about...

Re: Your Webcomic is Bad and You Should Feel Bad

feeds@yuku.com (Forum Jackass) — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 07:55:46 GMT

Part of the problem is that I didn't really communicate very well when I said, "I'm beginning to wonder what well-drawn even means." Maybe it'd be more appropriate to say, "I'm beginning to wonder what it means when certain people say it". It's hard to figure out what someone, such as the YWiB bloggers, would actually consider "well-drawn" when they never give any examples.

I've been wondering lately exactly how often criticism...

Re: Your Webcomic is Bad and You Should Feel Bad

feeds@yuku.com (Flying Omelette) — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 06:16:41 GMT

I think you've missed the point of what I'm trying to say, especially in that "Slimer!" post.

It's inappropriate to hold every cartoonist to John K's standards. Not everyone is trying to do what he does and nor should they. And most of the types of cartoons that he likes are things that simply do not entertain me. And I really don't like the idea that I can't think something is well-drawn because John K....

Re: Your Webcomic is Bad and You Should Feel Bad

feeds@yuku.com (Crawl and 1OOO) — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 23:40:10 GMT

You're missing the forest for the trees. I never said anything about Ren and Stimpy being a standard for being well-drawn. I am saying there is meaning to saying something is well-drawn.

Mentioning John K. in no way turns the topic into Ren and Stimpy. He is a good person to mention in this subject because, like his own work or not, he is very opinionated on the subject of what is well-drawn, he has explained his opinions at length, he is knowledgeable about cartoons from the...

Re: Your Webcomic is Bad and You Should Feel Bad

feeds@yuku.com (Flying Omelette) — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 23:26:50 GMT

Crawl and 1OOO wrote:

I mean, you can't possibly be an artist if you didn't have an opinion on what is good? Because if you didn't, then how would you make what you thought was good? Is this a good drawing of Honen?

Would you draw him that way? Would you be proud of it if you did? If not, why not?...

Re: Your Webcomic is Bad and You Should Feel Bad

feeds@yuku.com (Crawl and 1OOO) — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 23:08:33 GMT

It's just the old issue of "What's objective? What's 'good'? What's a standard? What makes one opinion better than another?"

What I used to wonder about when I was a kid were album reviews. They always seemed so obscure. Like, they'd complain that an album didn't have enough humor. I just saw that again recently -- within the past week, RollingStone.com had a retrospective of...

Re: Your Webcomic is Bad and You Should Feel Bad

feeds@yuku.com (Flying Omelette) — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 22:43:52 GMT

Actually, it's inaccurate to say "I'm beginning to wonder". I've wondered this many times before. Specifically, TV Guide was always going on and on about how "poorly-drawn" Saturday Morning cartoons were, but they NEVER elaborated on what was meant by that.

The best conclusion I could come to was that "poorly-drawn" for them was synonymous with "not as well animated as a Disney movie".

Re: Your Webcomic is Bad and You Should Feel Bad

feeds@yuku.com (Flying Omelette) — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 17:45:17 GMT

I'm sort of beginning to wonder what "drawn well" even means.

It's kind funny that you should even mention that because I was going to make a long blog post explaining some of my thoughts on that very same subject.

For example, I know that I don't draw all that well, but even if given the opportunity to have someone draw my characters and scenes for me, I'd be extremely picky about how they are to look. The style chosen has to be appropriate....

Re: Your Webcomic is Bad and You Should Feel Bad

feeds@yuku.com (Gengarian Junus) — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:20:30 GMT

After reading over a lot of this topic and some of that blog, I'm beginning to think that some people are putting WAY too much emphasis on the artwork. A comic is suppposed to make you laugh, period. If it's drawn well, that's an added bonus, but most comics aren't. Not even professional ones. And some, like Garfield, were funnier when they weren't drawn as cleanly.

Also, why is it that almost none of the things on their "7 Deadly Sins" list have to...

Re: Your Webcomic is Bad and You Should Feel Bad

feeds@yuku.com (Crawl and 1OOO) — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:48:21 GMT

Re: Your Webcomic is Bad and You Should Feel Bad

feeds@yuku.com (ErniePants) — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:38:08 GMT

I thought it seemed familiar.

Re: Your Webcomic is Bad and You Should Feel Bad

feeds@yuku.com (Forum Jackass) — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 07:54:38 GMT

BTW, I did that same exact knockers joke in 2003:

http://flyingomelettespalace.yuku.com/topic/5034

Re: Your Webcomic is Bad and You Should Feel Bad

feeds@yuku.com (Crawl and 1OOO) — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:19:27 GMT

Oh, and the background of that 8bit strip was an Airbus 340 cockpit.

Re: Your Webcomic is Bad and You Should Feel Bad

feeds@yuku.com (Flying Omelette) — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:47:45 GMT

For the record, I also think that "badge throwing" hoopla about Scott Ramsoomair is pretty ridiculous, too. If he says he didn't throw it, I'll take his word. And if he did...so what? Maybe they deserved it. Throwing a badge isn't the same thing as raping babies.

Re: Your Webcomic is Bad and You Should Feel Bad

feeds@yuku.com (CLOUDBOND007) — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:24:55 GMT

Codie wins in a photo finish.

Re: Your Webcomic is Bad and You Should Feel Bad

feeds@yuku.com (Crawl and 1OOO) — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:20:18 GMT

It's apparently a "spiritual successor" to the System Shock series.

Re: Your Webcomic is Bad and You Should Feel Bad

feeds@yuku.com (Captain Ladd Spencer) — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:20:14 GMT

Spiritual sequel to System Shock 2.

Your Webcomic is Bad and You Should Feel Bad

feeds@yuku.com (Crawl and 1OOO) — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:51:08 GMT

Your Webcomic is Bad and You Should Feel Bad

This has already been referred to a couple of times elsewhere on the board, but it could have its own topic.

It's a blog that finds bad webcomics, and explains why they are bad.

And holy crap are they bad. He covered the well-known CTRL ALT DEL and VGCats, but I don't even know how he managed to find some shit that's as bad as he's found.